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The house that sold for $800K over asking price speaks to the inequity of California
Posted on 11/19/17 at 1:53 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 1:53 am
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Priced out, big time
The three-bedroom, two-bath ranch was listed for $1.68 million and sold, in a bidding war, for $2.47 million.
According to sales records, the property tax at the time of the sale was just above $1,500.
Not per month.
Per year.
Thank you, Proposition 13.
The annual tax bill was so low, I figured the previous owners had lived there a long time. So I called the listing agent to see what I could find out.
Dave Clark, a Keller Williams agent who’s been in the business for 30 years, said the house had only one owner prior to this year’s sale. A couple bought it brand new in 1963, raised two kids and held onto the house until recently, when the gentleman followed his wife in death and their son and daughter sold it.
“I think they paid around $25,000,” said Clark. “So it went up in value about 100 times.”
That’s astounding. But median incomes, unfortunately, have gone up only about 10 times over the same period.
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Proposition 13 and the affordability crisis
For working folks in California, flat wages and housing scarcity — which drives up prices — are at the center of the affordability crisis. People are forced to live farther from where they work and pay ever-increasing percentages of their income on housing, which leaves less for education, healthcare and everything else.
My Uncle Pete, long deceased, wouldn’t be able to buy a house anywhere near Sunnyvale today on a mail carrier’s salary. News about working people living in RVs and cars has become routine in Silicon Valley, including a recent story about a San Jose State University professor whose home is her vehicle. Meanwhile, nurses, teachers and laborers are commuting great distances.
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More than $600,000 over asking price
He sold a house, also a three-bedroom in Sunnyvale, for more than $600,000 above asking. It was listed at $1.88 million and sold for $2.55 million.
“It’s in escrow,” Clark said, and the story gets crazier.
Clark said he sold that same house in May 2014 for $1.54 million.
So the house went from $1.54 million to $2.55 million in just 3½ years.
This kind of equity, by the way, is a huge source of wealth among Californians lucky enough to own houses, enjoy the benefits of Proposition 13 and mortgage deductions, and then sell to the highest bidder.
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People with current mortgages in San Jose, Santa Clara and Sunnyvale are sitting on more than $239-billion worth of equity, according to Frank Nothaft, chief economist at CoreLogic.
Clark, the real estate agent, put me in touch with Bill Malcolm, an Irvine lawyer who grew up in the Sunnyvale house that sold for $782,000 above asking.
“It was absolutely amazing,” said Malcolm.
When he has visited his old turf, Malcolm told me, “what has plagued my thoughts” is the question of where regular folks are living. “When I go into the Safeway or the gas station or Costco, I think, ‘How do these people afford it?’”
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This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 1:56 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 2:09 am to Street Hawk
Location location location
Posted on 11/19/17 at 2:16 am to Street Hawk
Markets are always correct unless influenced by outside forces.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 3:03 am to LakeViewLSU
It’s painful when it does ;)
Posted on 11/19/17 at 3:54 am to Street Hawk
Hm, yeah, this real estate stuff is going on nationwide.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 5:51 am to Street Hawk
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So the house went from $1.54 million to $2.55 million in just 3½ years
I’m up $450k in 2 years, 3 months. But I also just read an article that home ownership cannot build wealth so I’m a little confused.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:25 am to Street Hawk
Why can't developers knock down smaller houses in places near CalTran in San Mateo County and replace them with multi-story condo or apartment towers?
They need to fit more people on the peninsula and increase housing supply. Why are they not allowed to do that?
They need to fit more people on the peninsula and increase housing supply. Why are they not allowed to do that?
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 6:26 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:30 am to member12
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Why can't developers knock down smaller houses in places near CalTran in San Mateo County and replace them with multi-story condo or apartment towers? They need to fit more people on the peninsula and increase housing supply. Why are they not allowed to do that?
Infrastructure has its limitations.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:42 am to LakeViewLSU
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Markets are always correct unless influenced by outside forces.
Which is why all other things being equal, I will never accept a job in California.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:44 am to LakeViewLSU
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Markets are always correct unless influenced by outside forces.
Everything is an outside force
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:50 am to Street Hawk
If my house sold for $800k over list, I'd never need to work another day in my life.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 6:54 am to Street Hawk
In most parts of the country, that house wouldn’t sell for $200K, much less north of $2MM.
I’ve only been to California once (as a kid) so I don’t know what it’s like to live there. I sure hope it’s absolutely amazing.
I’ve only been to California once (as a kid) so I don’t know what it’s like to live there. I sure hope it’s absolutely amazing.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:09 am to Street Hawk
This is in the land of oz. What would you expect?
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:17 am to kywildcatfanone
The reason that house and the other one in Sunnyvale went for so much over the estimates is that they're witihin spitting distance of Apples's Spaceship.Most listings, while still going for a lot more than they would in another region, don't go for so much over what was expected. They were snapped up by people that make a ton of money and don't want to commute.
It sure has made a nice windfall for people that have homes to sell in the area. There's two sides to every story.
In a broader sense for the whole region, it's a consequence of their being so much money being made in Silicon Valley and the desire of so many people to live in that area. People really like living there. It's pretty awesome in a lot of ways, though like anywhere you go in the U.S., it has it's own issues.
I'm just a electrician, but I don't have any problems paying my $2500 a month rent on the 2 bedroom condo I lease in San Jose.
It sure has made a nice windfall for people that have homes to sell in the area. There's two sides to every story.
In a broader sense for the whole region, it's a consequence of their being so much money being made in Silicon Valley and the desire of so many people to live in that area. People really like living there. It's pretty awesome in a lot of ways, though like anywhere you go in the U.S., it has it's own issues.
I'm just a electrician, but I don't have any problems paying my $2500 a month rent on the 2 bedroom condo I lease in San Jose.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:25 am to Sayre
It's better than playing poker
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It just so happnes that the market is what it is, and it's in our favor.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 7:26 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:27 am to Street Hawk
Which this makes their CALexit even better for them. They split from the Union, the can self-sustain.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:27 am to Street Hawk
That house is atrocious. Looks to be worth about $80K. Don’t care what the location is.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:36 am to Sayre
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There's two sides to every story.
Yep.
Without Prop 13, people who bought their home 10 years ago get a yuuuge tax bill added to their mortgage that they can't pay, just because their neighbor sold their house at a high price, and they end up getting foreclosed not because they lived outside their means, but because of taxes.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:40 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Without Prop 13, people who bought their home 10 years ago get a yuuuge tax bill added to their mortgage that they can't pay, just because their neighbor sold their house at a high price, and they end up getting foreclosed not because they lived outside their means, but because of taxes.
That home has probably increased greatly in value over that ten years. They should be able to sell it for a tidy profit.
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