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re: The gloves are off regarding St. George...

Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:59 am to
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:59 am to
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Does any money from outside the City of Baton Rouge, but within the Parish, go to fund the Baton Rouge City Court, City Proscutor's Office, etc.?


What does it matter? It may not show that it is funded by tax dollars outside the city limits but isn't that just cherry picking one area that isn't shown to be funded by residents outside the city limits while there are many other areas that are?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:12 pm to
We know, based on BR's own audit, that over $50 million in tax revenue from outside BR is moved into BR's general fund annually. Given that it was BR's audit; I would be shocked if that number isn't higher.
Posted by Mack
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:21 pm to
Should every better off neighborhood in every city put walls up and become it's own city of greed and bullshite?

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70173 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:22 pm to
Exactly! And if anything is funded by the general fund it takes the burden off areas that are shown not to be funded by the general fund...smoke and mirrors since indirectly everything is reaping the benefits of that 50+ million.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135341 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:24 pm to
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Does any money from outside the City of Baton Rouge, but within the Parish, go to fund the Baton Rouge City Court, City Proscutor's Office, etc.?
No. Their annual budget is $11.2 million and all the funds come from the city.
Posted by Tiger4Ever
Member since Aug 2003
36794 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:24 pm to
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Should every better off neighborhood in every city put walls up and become it's own city of greed and bullshite?


No, the City of Baton Rouge should have a monopoly on greed and bullshite. They seem to think they do anyway.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49553 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:27 pm to
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Should every better off neighborhood in every city put walls up and become it's own city of greed and bullshite?



This isn't a neighborhood; it's an area completely separate from the City of BR.

I'm not completely for St. G because the organizers aren't being honest about the cost. But low-IQ, emotional bullshite statements like yours aren't doing the City any favors.
Posted by LT
The City of St. George
Member since May 2008
5163 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:28 pm to
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Should every better off neighborhood in every city put walls up and become it's own city of greed and bullshite?



Should Watson Louisiana be forced to pay for Denham Springs Louisiana's fire and police department?

I get it... Those evil hateful bastards that love their kids and are trying to create change using democracy are so awful.

They should just shut up and not try to petition their government as outlined by the state constitution to address failings in their community.

They should be forced to take it a step further... every affluent person in the unincorporated area should adopt a poor family in nbr and send them like $1K a month.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:31 pm to
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Should every better off neighborhood in every city put walls up and become it's own city of greed and bullshite?


The proposed city of St. George isn't in BR.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:35 pm to
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I'm not completely for St. G because the organizers aren't being honest about the cost.

It will be hilarious if St. George somehow happens and then taxes for its residents skyrocket.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135341 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:38 pm to
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We know, based on BR's own audit, that over $50 million in tax revenue from outside BR is moved into BR's general fund annually

Yeah, so? Don't persons who live outside the city limits go into the city and therefore rely upon city services, including police and fire protection services and streets?

This whole 'us' versus 'them' meme based on where we lay our heads at night in a community that is so inter-dependent as EBR is nonsensical.

Question for the SG supporters: who is the largest property tax payer in EBR? (Hint: That taxpayer's property has an assessed value equal to almost as much as the next 9 highest property taxpayers COMBINED.)
Posted by LT
The City of St. George
Member since May 2008
5163 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:39 pm to
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It will be hilarious if St. George somehow happens and then taxes for its residents skyrocket.


You mean after the residents vote for them?

I'd throw in an extra hundy or two a year for a too five school district...
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70173 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:42 pm to
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Yeah, so? Don't persons who live outside the city limits go into the city and therefore rely upon city services, including police and fire protection services and streets?


Don't residents inside the city go outside the city and use services wherever they are also?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135341 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:46 pm to
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Don't residents inside the city go outside the city and use services wherever they are also?
Absolutely, which supports my position that the entire discussion of "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours" is silly and based on flawed logic.
Posted by The Calvin
Member since Jun 2013
5240 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:50 pm to
So what's the likelihood of this thing actually happening?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49553 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:50 pm to
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Yeah, so? Don't persons who live outside the city limits go into the city and therefore rely upon city services, including police and fire protection services and streets?


So why doesn't $50 million of tax revenue from BR City get allocated to the unincorporated area? Don't BR citizens go to the Mall, Perkins Rowe, and Parade Grounds? Hell, under this line of thinking, BR should be handing tax revenue to New Orleans.
Posted by LT
The City of St. George
Member since May 2008
5163 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:50 pm to
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Absolutely, which supports my position that the entire discussion of "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours" is silly and based on flawed logic.


Not to the people on South Park street who have a brpd station literally on their corner that refuses to serve them. They're forced,to wait for service from kleinpeter substation when they need law enforcement.

Your argument would be more valid if there was parish wide fire and police service.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135341 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:51 pm to
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I'd throw in an extra hundy or two a year
You & every other home owner had better be prepared to "throw in" another 2 or 3 thousand a year just in higher property taxes to support a new city government plus a new school system that is already saying will need to build SIX new schools.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49553 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:54 pm to
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You & every other home owner had better be prepared to "throw in" another 2 or 3 thousand a year just in higher property taxes to support a new city government plus a new school system that is already saying will need to build SIX new schools.


Yep.

St . G wins the philosophical argument but they are hiding the price tag.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135341 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Not to the people on South Park street who have a brpd station literally on their corner that refuses to serve them. They're forced,to wait for service from kleinpeter substation when they need law enforcement
If that's true why don't they just petition to be incorporated into BR and get that convenient police protection? In addition their home owner's insurance cost will decrease because of BR's #1 fire rating.
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