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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Imagine if every pro-trump website, opinion article, etc etc etc was systematically scrubbed from the internet prior to last year's election.
The Trump administration is against net neutrality.
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:00 pm to Volvagia
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Saying removing net neutrality is an opportunity for enterprising people to compete is like celebrating turning the interstate into a toll road because it will encourage private development of alternative interstates.
No, that's a ridiculous comparison.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to fightin tigers
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Meanwhile they don't mind having their internet data or text messages limited; because that is how it works.
Just because "That is how it works" doesn't mean we like it
FYI, Google, Amazon, and Facebook are not blocking my access to Bing, Walmart, and Snapchat
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to LordSaintly
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The Trump administration is against net neutrality.
I'm aware. Would be funny if this goes through and then the media companies decide to restrict/ban conservative website leading to 2020.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to Volvagia
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Saying removing net neutrality is an opportunity for enterprising people to compete is like celebrating turning the interstate into a toll road because it will encourage private development of alternative interstates.
I don't know if he is supporting doing away with net neutrality with that statement. Just probably accepting the inevitable.
An online petition isn't going to change the minds of the FCC. Because honestly, what are you going to do if it passes? Innovate a solution around it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:03 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Just because "That is how it works" doesn't mean we like it
You have options.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:03 pm to LordSaintly
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The Trump administration is against net neutrality.
Imagine if Hillary's websites were blocked.
As great as that would be because we disagree with her policies, would you really want to see this happen?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:04 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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'm aware. Would be funny if this goes through and then the media companies decide to restrict/ban conservative website leading to 2020.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that. I think some of the smaller ISPs like LUS pledged to never take advantage of a net neutrality repeal.
Comcast and Cox on the other hand
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:05 pm to Tigeralum2008
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would you really want to see this happen?
Absolutely not.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:05 pm to Tigeralum2008
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As great as that would be because we disagree with her policies, would you really want to see this happen?
Everyone that worships fox news would love this idea.
Everyone on Reddit would love the opposing idea.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:08 pm to fightin tigers
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Everyone on Reddit would love the opposing idea.
And in a world dominated by major ISPs, how would you be allowed access to Reddit?
Perhaps a small % will find a way but the common US citizen will not
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:13 pm to Tigeralum2008
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And in a world dominated by major ISPs, how would you be allowed access to Reddit?
shite imagine if one or more of the major telecom companies purchased large stakes in Walmart and then reduced access to amazon to a small % of the population.
Basically, the telecom companies could buy/invest in whatever company or industry they like and then essentially remove their competition from the internet.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:15 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The interstate comment was stupid. If you want to use toll roads as an example, fast lanes and slower lanes would be an apt comparison
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Fast lane is how the internet is built today,” says Craig Labovitz, who, as the CEO of DeepField Networks, an outfit whose sole mission is to track how companies build internet infrastructure, probably knows more about the design of the modern internet than anyone else. And many other internet experts agree with him. “The net neutrality debate has got many facets to it, and most of the points of the debate are artificial, distracting, and based on an incorrect mental model on how the internet works,” says Dave Taht, a developer of open-source networking software.
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The concepts driving today’s net neutrality debate caught on because the internet used to operate differently—and because they were easy for consumers to understand. In many respects, these concepts were vitally important to the evolution of the internet over the past decades. But in today’s world, they don’t address the real issue with the country’s ISPs, and if we spend too much time worried about fast lanes, we could hurt the net’s progress rather than help it.
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One way to prevent this is through greater competition among ISPs. If consumers and web companies have many ISPs to choose from, no one ISP can control who gets what. Ammori doesn’t see more competition among ISPs as a panacea, but he thinks it would help. And another network activist, Seth Johnson, believes competition can change things, but that it will take government action to make that happen. “Competition and regulation are not at odds in every case. Particularly in telecom,” he says. In any event, competition is a bigger issue than net neutrality. The internet has evolved, but the debate must evolve along with it.
The interstate comment was stupid. If you want to use toll roads as an example, fast lanes and slower lanes would be an apt comparison
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:16 pm to LordSaintly
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Hopefully it doesn't come to that. I think some of the smaller ISPs like LUS pledged to never take advantage of a net neutrality repeal.
Comcast and Cox on the other hand
Most of those smaller ISP's "hand off" their IP traffic to a long haul provider such as ATT, Verizon, Level 3, and Century Link/Qwest for the eventual connection to a website's server
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:18 pm to Tigeralum2008
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And in a world dominated by major ISPs, how would you be allowed access to Reddit?
Are you really this shortsighted on the future of technology?
I'm not trying to be insulting with that statement, I just see the major ISPs business model going the way of newspapers.
Competition will come if ANY ISP gets to the level if not offering a website.
Look at what Netflix is doing to indie producers. What webcast has done to traditional news or radio. What Tesla has done to the big 8. YouTube to major music. Uber to Taxis. AirBnB to traditional hotels.
In BR what happened to DishTV dropped local broadcast?
The sky isn't falling. If this law passes new methods WILL develop.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:19 pm to fightin tigers
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So this net neutrality is going to make it a law that internet can only be provided by wired ISPs that currently exist.
this is already the case.
Not to be a dick, but just go read into this a bit and come back.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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“Competition and regulation are not at odds in every case. Particularly in telecom,” he says. In any event, competition is a bigger issue than net neutrality. The internet has evolved, but the debate must evolve along with it.
But this isn't an argument against net neutrality.
Major ISPs have cultivated regional monopolies regardless of net neutrality. Abolishing net neutrality does nothing to reverse this.
I don't want my ISP regulating my content. And like many Americans, I only have one option and that option is enforced by law/government contract.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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And like many Americans, I only have one option
Again, the argument supports more competition which would give you multiple choices, instead of heavy regulation over content. Why are big telecoms supporting net neutrality?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why are big telecoms supporting net neutrality
They aren't
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Again, the argument supports more competition which would give you multiple choices
Abolishing net neutrality does nothing to increase the ability for new ISPs to enter the market.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Why?
The same exact barriers of entry exist between building an interstate and building an Internet backbone. You will spend tens of millions to go 50 miles. As a result both get significant federal support for construction.
And it's not like I'm the first to compare internet backbones to the interstate (information superhighway).
Loss of net neutrality in a car scenario is essentially giving a private company the ability to say "you can legally go up to 70 mph, but you are going to pay .1 cents per mile for every mile you travel more than 50 mph between Houston and New Orleans."
That is the exact scenario at discussion here regarding net neutrality.
So, given that scenario, where is your opportunity that you keep alluding to?
Avoiding the interstate all together? Diminished service for the company providing transport services.
Building your own road service? Laughably absurd.
So what?
Tell me ANY wiggle room for opportunity you keep saying is there in an environment that in order to access the internet you MUST use assets controlled by another company when you give them the ability to selectively throttle traffic on their networks.
Because short of building your own network, which is exactly what Google had to threaten to do, you are 100% at their whim without net neutrality.
The same exact barriers of entry exist between building an interstate and building an Internet backbone. You will spend tens of millions to go 50 miles. As a result both get significant federal support for construction.
And it's not like I'm the first to compare internet backbones to the interstate (information superhighway).
Loss of net neutrality in a car scenario is essentially giving a private company the ability to say "you can legally go up to 70 mph, but you are going to pay .1 cents per mile for every mile you travel more than 50 mph between Houston and New Orleans."
That is the exact scenario at discussion here regarding net neutrality.
So, given that scenario, where is your opportunity that you keep alluding to?
Avoiding the interstate all together? Diminished service for the company providing transport services.
Building your own road service? Laughably absurd.
So what?
Tell me ANY wiggle room for opportunity you keep saying is there in an environment that in order to access the internet you MUST use assets controlled by another company when you give them the ability to selectively throttle traffic on their networks.
Because short of building your own network, which is exactly what Google had to threaten to do, you are 100% at their whim without net neutrality.
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