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re: The DKE closure at LSU is going to stay ugly for a while.

Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:10 am to
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:10 am to
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And if you're being honest, not all of those links are like the others, right?
They’re links of hazing at LSU

If I spend another three minutes I could find 25 more and that’s just since the Internet has been around.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 11:12 am
Posted by Damseyrarrar
Bunche Village
Member since Oct 2016
379 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:10 am to
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Gramps, Tulane DKE. Dad, LSU Sigma Chi, who's chapter will soon be reinstated.


Gramps chippy, Dad pretty....it's all starting to come together.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31931 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:32 am to
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If I spend another three minutes I could find 25 more and that’s just since the Internet has been around.


"Just since the internet has been around" includes about 50,000-plus students involved in the Greek system at LSU during that period. You could probably find 25 examples of just about anything, as you could with any sample of 50,000-plus students at any university.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3193 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:37 am to
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what did you do to get blackballed?


Nope, initiated Jan '87, one of the traditional houses. Stayed active for all four years. Just want to either see the system cleaned up or see it disappear. Don't want to see another dead child or kids harmed for no reason.
Posted by NOLA Tiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2006
836 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:51 am to
Clearly you have proved my point.
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:03 pm to
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You could probably find 25 examples of just about anything, as you could with any sample of 50,000-plus students at any university.
OK, fair enough. Now multiply 25 by the 60-300 members of each of those fraternities.

Then factor in the amount of years that the fraternity hazed without getting caught.

ETA: What does your 50,000 figure have to do with anything
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31931 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:04 pm to
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Don't want to see another dead child


High school and college students die of drug and alcohol abuse regularly, and the VAST majority have nothing to do with the greek system (likely 99.9 percent).

Why do you hate freedom?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31931 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:05 pm to
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OK, fair enough. Now multiply 25 by the 60-300 members of each of those fraternities.


What would that supposedly prove in your fairy tale world?

Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
10955 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:06 pm to
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You’re trying to weed out the people that crack under pressure,


But Why?

I was in a fraternity at LSU so I am not anti-frats but I don't see the point of weeding out the weak in this manner.

It's a fricking social club where you hang with friends, drink, and chase girls.

Why is being mentally tough enough (or dumb enough if you ask me) to accept light torture a requirement? It serves no purpose and can't be defended as necessary other than the "Muh, Tradition" argument.
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:09 pm to
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What would that supposedly prove in your fairy tale world?
A reasonable figure for the amount of people that have been hazed?

ETA: That one dude said 99% don’t get hazed.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 12:13 pm
Posted by NOLA Tiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2006
836 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:10 pm to
Now, think about how many microaggressions, hate crimes and other transgressions they have perpetrated on society. Its a wonder that more people haven't died at the hands of these barbarians. #woke
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:13 pm to
You guys aren’t even talking about hazing anymore
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3193 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Don't want to see another dead child


High school and college students die of drug and alcohol abuse regularly, and the VAST majority have nothing to do with the greek system (likely 99.9 percent).

Why do you hate freedom?


Snatching that piece of the post and following with that quote is a total non sequitur.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
10955 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:22 pm to
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The problem with hazing is the hazers tend to do everything done to them plus a little extra.


True story. I lived with a DKE in college and he told me that they have a continuous cycle.

1)They do something to get kicked off campus.
2)They are eventually allowed back on Campus.
3)They start with minimal hazing the first year back.
4)The hazing gets a little worse each year.
5)They escalate it to the point of being kicked off campus again.

Rinse and Repeat.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29215 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:22 pm to
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Remember when Smollett was beaten, had a noose put on his neck and bleach poured on him by Trump supporters. If true, it would have been horrible. Same for DKE. Maybe we should see where all of this goes before we assume the allegations are true.
I'm assuming some of the events were sensationalized and exaggerated, but some have some truth to them.
In any event, at least LSU is going to protect everyone from themselves.


Sorry about your chapter buddy.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
10955 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:25 pm to
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Maybe we should see where all of this goes before we assume the allegations are true.


The issue is that they have a rap sheet thats a mile long.

It's not really an isolated incident.

You can point to numerous instances throughout that chapter's history that point to the type of pledge process that they deem necessary.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36469 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:27 pm to
They’ll just keep an off campus house as “the friars” I’m sure.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20816 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:29 pm to
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“Some information obtained indicated that a brand on the flesh, usually on the chest, leg, or thigh, may be required to obtain or maintain membership in the separate club called the ‘Friars,’” the report reads.


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Allegations of branding at other DKE chapters date back to at least 1967, when the Yale Daily News reported that DKE members there had burned their pledges with a branding iron. A subsequent New York Times article referred to "a photograph showing a scab in the shape of the Greek letter Delta, approximately a half inch wide."


I have a question about the branding. I have seen huge branding symbols on members of black fraternities openly displayed in prominent places on their arms. Are there different standards for black fraternities? Serious question. I was never in a fraternity.
Posted by covlatiger
Member since Feb 2006
2370 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:31 pm to
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Gramps from Tulane


So he was a sleazy Tau Lambda....
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31931 posts
Posted on 2/22/19 at 12:35 pm to
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ETA: That one dude said 99% don’t get hazed.


I was in a fraternity with over 200 members at LSU with no hazing. That figure is fairly accurate. Even Sigma Chi got kicked off because a guy OD’d on drugs not because of hazing.

Hazing is not that common, beyond minor things like cleaning up after parties, etc.
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