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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)

Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:16 am to
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:16 am to
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That’s why I thought she possibly just mistaked which cards she had, but after seeing the video of her chair vibrating she was def cheating IMO.



She was raising the pot with a statistically inferior hand

That is some kind of cheating

The kind of cheating only a degenerate gambler would claim when cards dont fall right
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 10:17 am
Posted by Monday
Prairieville
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:16 am to
Sure, the cards that are dealt to the players is “chance”. It’s how you play those cards in which the skill and strategy come into play. If you think that winning in poker is luck you’d have a point with a very small sample size. But the thing to remember is that playing poker is trying to make moves that are profitable over time. Calling with Jack high is profitable in this specific situation but over time it is a losing call.

While I think she should’ve let GA have that specific pot, it does tend to get aggressive with that exact holding. I had someone in a poker room ($1/3) call me down out of position with queen high when I raised preflop and bet every street. It happens sometimes. He ended up leaving the table with no money within a few hours.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:17 am to
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seeing the video of her chair vibrating
where is this?

I would think if you can see her chair vibrating the dude sitting 18 inches away from her would hear the vibrations.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 10:18 am
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:19 am to
Weird hand for sure, but shite like that happens sometimes doesn’t it? Sometimes people get caught up in the moment and play badly, yet it still works out.

The dude pushed all in on a draw, and even the probabilities on the screen showed it as a legit coin flip (53/47%).

And sure, she said she thought he may have ace high (which doesn’t make sense) but she also said she was didn’t have shite and was only calling to see if he was bluffing or not. That at least makes some sense to me. Especially if she thinks he’s gotten away with bluffs before (which I think I remember her saying).

So while her call was stupid, his push was sort of stupid too and he was trying to bully her out of the hand. So she called it to see if he was doing that. Her having Jack high doesn’t mean much since she actually had higher cards than he was and was seeing if he was full of shite (which he was).

My question is what we’re they playing where there were two river cards? I’ve never seen that before. Also, the way she was acting was definitely kinda weird. So while I’m not convinced she was cheating, it makes sense why people are wondering about that based on her reaction and actions. Weird situation all around but sometimes weird shite happens in poker. And without proof of anything otherwise, I’d just chalk it up to one of those weird poker situations.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
We Coming
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:23 am to
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She was raising the pot with a statistically inferior hand




To call it statistically inferior is like calling the sinking of the Titanic a boating accident
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:25 am to
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It’s so weird to me to be cheating and still make the call on that hand. Way too obvious.
oddly enough that's her best defense against cheating accusations. The call was so bad you wouldn't make if you're cheating
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:26 am to
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To call it statistically inferior is like calling the sinking of the Titanic a boating accident



Well exactly

It makes claims that someone was buzzing her to throw money in completely laughable

She road a shitty hand hard and won

The analytics professionals cheating the poker pro for his shekels would not have told her to raise on a loser hand before seeing two cards
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:32 am to
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there is a new video out that shows the chair shaking when she has the best hand and doesn’t when she’s beat. Go to around the 1:16 mark LINK
everytime I click the link it shows a different video
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16471 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:35 am to
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explain how the 10%(according to your knowledge and understnding) hand winning with 2 different river cards proves that poker is a game of math and not chance. Us novices are dying to know.
if you shove with a 10% chance of winning, you will over time, win 10% of the time.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:40 am to
It’s over an hour long video. Go to the 1 hour 16 minute mark
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:41 am to
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if you shove with a 10% chance of winning, you will over time, win 10% of the time.



And if you play poker against equal players over time you will lose money from rakes, fees, the two bucks you tipped someone that one time
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10368 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:41 am to
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If you think that winning in poker is luck you’d have a point with a very small sample size. But the thing to remember is that playing poker is trying to make moves that are profitable over time. Calling with Jack high is profitable in this specific situation but over time it is a losing call.

The only people arguing against this are the poker bro overlords that are convinced she cheated.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16471 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:42 am to
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She was raising the pot with a statistically inferior hand
her flop raise isn't a problem. She's trying to move him off a club draw. He had a straight flush draw though and is the fav at this point. The only way she can reasonably think she can win the hand is to push him off his hand and you do that by shoving not calling
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:43 am to
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f you shove with a 10% chance of winning, you will over time, win 10% of the time

This wasn’t over time. This was 1 time.

1 time she had a 10% of winning and won. Twice.

What would you call that?
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:43 am to
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her flop raise isn't a problem. She's trying to move him off a club draw. He had a straight flush draw though and is the fav at this point. The only way she can reasonably think she can win the hand is to push him off his hand and you do that by shoving not calling



Except for the part where she won the hand

So it is not the only way you can reasonably win the hand

Something no one seems to grasp about a game of chance

Saying frick it lets see the cards is a play with reason
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 10:46 am
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16471 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:44 am to
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It’s over an hour long video. Go to the 1 hour 16 minute mark
seriously i get a different length video each time. I know dick about Instagram
Posted by 10MTNTiger
Banks of the Guadalupe
Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:46 am to
Yeah the video is pretty damning. Looks to me like she clearly had a vibrator in that was used to pass signals.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16471 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:47 am to
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Except for the part where she won the hand
she made a horrendously bad call and won. The point is how she got there and that seems to be beyond your capacity to understand so I'll just leave it there
Posted by lance814
Member since Feb 2013
807 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:48 am to
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Speaking of brains not comprehending, you’re one of those ‘poker isn’t a game of chance’ people. So respond to this: explain how the 10%(according to your knowledge and understnding) hand winning with 2 different river cards proves that poker is a game of math and not chance. Us novices are dying to know.


Because running that spot multiple times will result in 10%. My argument is while there are chance components in poker, it much more complex than just stating it’s a game of chance. Slot machines are chance.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:48 am to
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she made a horrendously bad call and won.


You can throw 5 grand on the high low on a craps table and win

Its a horrendous bet

Thats what gambling is
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