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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:21 am to Phat Phil
He was right about wages being driven down and only a certain small slice of the population capturing value in the economy. The big caveat to that is that slaves weren't cheap in the American South compared to most of the rest of the slave-owning world at the time. He's also right about demographic manipulation, though I am not sure how effective all that was given that most non-slave owning whites couldn't read or write at the time, and most didn't live anywhere near where the big plantations and large populations of African-Americans were.
He loses me when he veers into the commie bullshite in the latter half of the article.
He loses me when he veers into the commie bullshite in the latter half of the article.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:23 am to Phat Phil
I was reading until he started trying to connnect wealthy white slave owners to Rush Limbaugh and Republicans.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:24 am to PrimeTime Money
I was reading until he started trying to connnect wealthy white slave owners to Rush Limbaugh and Republicans.
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Same here
Prob a fake story. "Was in the Klan ...."
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:25 am to Phat Phil
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For example, a map of states that didn’t expand Medicaid – which would actually be a boon mostly to poor whites – resembles a map of the old Confederacy with a few other poor, rural states thrown in. Another indication that this divisive propaganda works on Southern whites came in 2012. Romney and Obama evenly split the white working class in the West, Midwest and Northeast. But in the South we went 2-1 for Romney.
So if a southern white person has a differing opinion, it must be the result of some propaganda campaign? And the only explanation for opposition is that other side MUST be misinformed or manipulated?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:54 am to Phat Phil
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drove down wages for everyone else. And not just in agriculture. A quarter of enslaved blacks worked in the construction, manufacturing and lumbering trades; cutting wages even for skilled white workers.
if they're so worried about this from 200 years ago, why aren't they against Mexicans doing it now?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:58 am to Phat Phil
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But that vast wealth was invisible outside the plantation ballrooms.
I read that quite a lot of the big shots in the south that lost the ability to keep making their fortunes due to the South losing moved onto the financial sector (wall street).
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:58 am to Ben Hur
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So if a southern white person has a differing opinion, it must be the result of some propaganda campaign? And the only explanation for opposition is that other side MUST be misinformed or manipulated?
Right. This article is Marxist propaganda aimed at the faithful trying to convince them that the other guy is being fed propaganda.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:06 pm to Phat Phil
This is pretty on point. That's why we have so much Wal Mart Republicanism in the South.
The powers that be, in my opinion on both the R & D side, want the working middle class divided by race. It's nowhere near as overt as in the past, but the signs are obvious if you look at them.
The powers that be, in my opinion on both the R & D side, want the working middle class divided by race. It's nowhere near as overt as in the past, but the signs are obvious if you look at them.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:14 pm to Phat Phil
What this piece misses on is the fact that the jobs held by slaves wouldn't have likely been filled by poor white people. Even with unemployment, the South's economy would have crumbled instantly if there wasn't a slow and steady decrease of the use of slaves. It briefly hits on the fact that a third of the South's laborers were slaves but doesn't show that the total population was largely slave.
State: ALABAMA
Percent of state pop. that were slaves: 45%
ARKANSAS
26%
FLORIDA
44%
GEORGIA
44%
KENTUCKY
20%
LOUISIANA
47%
MARYLAND
13%
MISSISSIPPI
55%
MISSOURI
10%
NORTH CAROLINA
33%
SOUTH CAROLINA
57%
TENNESSEE
25%
TEXAS
30%
VIRGINIA
31%
So even with the very few benefitted economically from owning slaves it would've been impossible to fill the jobs of slavery with free whites at the time.
If the war doesn't break out, the South would have eventually industrialized. It would've taken a very long time but it would have happened. As we know, the basis of the war did not begin on slavery, but the underlying economic issues could be traced to slavery. The war was explicitly made about slavery when Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation.
The south was so underdeveloped/underpopulated compared to the North that trying to compare the two regions/nations is a waste of time.
State: ALABAMA
Percent of state pop. that were slaves: 45%
ARKANSAS
26%
FLORIDA
44%
GEORGIA
44%
KENTUCKY
20%
LOUISIANA
47%
MARYLAND
13%
MISSISSIPPI
55%
MISSOURI
10%
NORTH CAROLINA
33%
SOUTH CAROLINA
57%
TENNESSEE
25%
TEXAS
30%
VIRGINIA
31%
So even with the very few benefitted economically from owning slaves it would've been impossible to fill the jobs of slavery with free whites at the time.
If the war doesn't break out, the South would have eventually industrialized. It would've taken a very long time but it would have happened. As we know, the basis of the war did not begin on slavery, but the underlying economic issues could be traced to slavery. The war was explicitly made about slavery when Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation.
The south was so underdeveloped/underpopulated compared to the North that trying to compare the two regions/nations is a waste of time.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:16 pm to Phat Phil
Ever think that maybe it just looks cool, rebels in general are cool, and if you tell people they can't do something, it only makes them want to flaunt it more?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."- Alexander Stephens VP of the Confederacy
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:47 pm to Phat Phil
Quite a bit of dumbass there. For those who insist that this narrative is the least bit factual, rejoice as the federal government dictates to you what your kids can and cannot eat, where your kids go to school, (as theirs overwhelmingly attend private school) healthcare, gun ownership, what you can and can't do with your own land, whether you must support your illegal immigrant neighbors, whether you accept possible islamic terrorists into your community, and pretty much every other facet of your lives.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:This.
Cleansing history is never the answer, regardless of how many statues or flags come down.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:54 pm to rmnldr
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The war was explicitly made about slavery when Lincoln made the Emancipation Proclamation.
That's true although it did absolutely nothing to free anyone.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:15 pm to Phat Phil
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How did the plantation owners mislead so many Southern whites?
he lost me right here
...my ancestors in Western NC fought for their state and their land...politicians in a far way place were bound and determined to decide what was wrong and right for those they didn't know or understand...and then Yankee armies threatened to force their sovereign state to comply with staying IN the Union by force?...nah man...that shite wasn't going down like that...
not for a bunch of Scots-Irish and German immigrants....and holdover Cherokees that had not forgotten what that same government had done to them not 20 something years before..
author is a liberal white guilt try hard pussy..imho
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:18 pm to Phat Phil
Southerners were economically affected more by the tariffs placed on goods from England than by the actions of slave owners. Economic aggression by the North was an important cause of the Civil War.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:32 pm to SthGADawg
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...my ancestors in Western NC fought for their state and their land...politicians in a far way place were bound and determined to decide what was wrong and right for those they didn't know or understand...and then Yankee armies threatened to force their sovereign state to comply with staying IN the Union by force?...nah man...that shite wasn't going down like that...
You illustrate the point of the article. No doubt your ancestors as well as plenty of mine fought because they believed that...but the FACT is the primary issue of the war was the economic impact of getting rid of slavery.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:32 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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he retard is saying that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are the modern day plantation owners
Umm no he didn't. You obviously can't read
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:39 pm to Phat Phil
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the most prideful flag waivers . . .
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