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re: The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:01 pm to skullhawk
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:01 pm to skullhawk
quote:The main problem is the schools' inability to cut unneeded programs/classes. Instead of cutting those, they make cuts across the board because it's "more fair" that way
If these programs are so great, their admin and faculty could reproduce the program at another institution within the state.
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:05 pm to Hammertime
quote:Yep, none of the schools in this state including LSU are forward thinking enough to make the correct cuts. Instead they stab the life giving programs to along with every program.
The main problem is the schools' inability to cut unneeded programs/classes. Instead of cutting those, they make cuts across the board because it's "more fair" that way
I really wish one administration would sack up and say this program isn't pulling its weight, this one does. we are cutting back on this degree.
LSU could benefit from doing this and focusing on what it is good at.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:06 pm to member12
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It's grown a lot. UL-Lafayette should be changed into a community college like that. The few decent programs they offer should be merged with McNeese. What's left is basically community college level anyways.
Do you even realize that ULL is over twice McNeese's size? What's your plan? Close down ULL and expand McNeese?
McNeese isn't big enough by itself to service the entirety of southwestern LA.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:06 pm to Hammertime
The waste is IN the administration
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:08 pm to Havoc
quote:Name calling with no actual argument for why it should stay open. Par for the course from what I expect out of UL-BR.
You are so fricking brainless as to barely be worth a response
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:11 pm to MadMaxwell
Does anyone know what Louisiana tax payers pay per student? Direct State funding + TOPS?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:12 pm to yellowfin
large admins are a waste, but so are some degree programs. It would benefit even LSU to look and see what they do best and protect those from cuts. If we lose a few liberal art students over sacking a degree then oh well.
An excel spread sheet covering potential salaries, tuition, and donations for each program and compare it to expenses of running that program. we could cut the budget down and shift resources to a stronger program and allow it to flourish and produce.
School wide cuts hitting every program is a horrible way to run things. I understand admins are often tied by politics and union type deals, but if we started thinking of education as an investment we could make some meaningful cuts and actually improve the school.
An excel spread sheet covering potential salaries, tuition, and donations for each program and compare it to expenses of running that program. we could cut the budget down and shift resources to a stronger program and allow it to flourish and produce.
School wide cuts hitting every program is a horrible way to run things. I understand admins are often tied by politics and union type deals, but if we started thinking of education as an investment we could make some meaningful cuts and actually improve the school.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:18 pm to MadMaxwell
Shut them all down and make them juco's or technical school. Tulane can lower its standards and take lsu' best students. ;)
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:19 pm to DollaChoppa
BS ULM is ranked second in the south. If u ever get admitted to a hospital ask where your nurse went to school. U will find out the diff between a nurse with a BS from ULM and any other institution or non-BS nurse really quickly if you are ill enough and stay long enough. been there done that. The difference is scarey.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:22 pm to jeffsdad
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BS ULM is ranked second in the south.
Ranked second by who?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:32 pm to tigerinthebueche
Since there is no avoiding political turf protection in this process, how about this for a solution:
The governor and legislature establish a 2-year process which will end higher ed as we know it. As of, say, the 2018-19 school year, a reset button will be hit on higher education in the state, and only those schools who can establish their worth in that time will be allowed to remain open. Criteria on which they will be judged will include national prestige, number of nationally ranked programs, graduation rates, current and proposed efficiencies, and creative restructuring.
Here is the kicker: At the end of the process, Louisiana will have (for example) seven (7) four-year institutions, and twelve (12) two-year schools.
There would be lots of scrambling. Schools would voluntarily seek mergers in order to make the cut. Some schools would completely restructure and would have to demonstrate their ability to do more with less.
Everything above board, everything on the table.
The governor and legislature establish a 2-year process which will end higher ed as we know it. As of, say, the 2018-19 school year, a reset button will be hit on higher education in the state, and only those schools who can establish their worth in that time will be allowed to remain open. Criteria on which they will be judged will include national prestige, number of nationally ranked programs, graduation rates, current and proposed efficiencies, and creative restructuring.
Here is the kicker: At the end of the process, Louisiana will have (for example) seven (7) four-year institutions, and twelve (12) two-year schools.
There would be lots of scrambling. Schools would voluntarily seek mergers in order to make the cut. Some schools would completely restructure and would have to demonstrate their ability to do more with less.
Everything above board, everything on the table.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:33 pm to yellowfin
Someone posted the link earlier. He failed to mention Nichols and ULL were ranked 3 and 4. ULM has a good Health and Sciences program. Every school in the state has 1 program that should keep it open if you ask an alum. La has an infrastructure and population that can handle 8 4 year institutions tops. There is currently a tier 1 school in N La and a tier 1 in S La. Due to population N La needs one school, NOLA needs one, BR needs one, South South La needs one, SWLA needs one, keep one HBCU, and then keep 2 of SELA, NWST, and Mcneese open.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:35 pm to yellowfin
The best the state can hope for in the short term is the closing or combination of a few schools at most. We aren't going to go from 14 schools to 6 overnight (even though that is probably what should happen).
TOPS also needs to be either harder to get or should become a low interest loan if you lose it during college.
TOPS also needs to be either harder to get or should become a low interest loan if you lose it during college.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:36 pm to MadMaxwell
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Name calling with no actual argument for why it should stay open.
I don't need to argue the merits of gravity either. I have no need to cast pearls before swine.
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Par for the course from what I expect out of UL-BR.
fricking idiot.
I've attended 4 of the different state universities for various programs. Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:42 pm to Havoc
quote:I'm not the one that couldn't hack it at 3 different schools. High five.
fricking idiot. I've attended 4 of the different state universities for various programs.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:46 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
Someone posted the link earlier.
I couldn't find it. Who did the ranking?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:49 pm to saderade
TOPS would solve itself if it rolled into a loan after 5 years with no degree
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:03 pm to yellowfin
When discussing this debate,strip away your own biases...whatever your loyalty is (regionally, you went to a shitty directional school, you root for blahblah).
Look at it from the perceptive of a business decision. If the State of LA put all public universities up for bid for private investors, where would the school rank in order of highest demand? There would be a bidding war for these in order:
1. LSU
2. La Tech
3. ULL
4. SELU
5. McNeese
Simply put, these offer the most benefit/resources and the highest potential for return on investment.
Very few would bid on the following:
ULM, LSUS, UNO, Nichols, ULM, SU, Grambling
Look at it from the perceptive of a business decision. If the State of LA put all public universities up for bid for private investors, where would the school rank in order of highest demand? There would be a bidding war for these in order:
1. LSU
2. La Tech
3. ULL
4. SELU
5. McNeese
Simply put, these offer the most benefit/resources and the highest potential for return on investment.
Very few would bid on the following:
ULM, LSUS, UNO, Nichols, ULM, SU, Grambling
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:05 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
Does anyone know what Louisiana tax payers pay per student? Direct State funding + TOPS?
So, no answers to this? Just rabble rabble?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:10 pm to yellowfin
quote:
quote:
BS ULM is ranked second in the south.
Ranked second by who?
ULL
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