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re: The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:11 pm to member12
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:11 pm to member12
quote:in all seriousness if you take out ULL from that list it is a good start in closing schools.
LSU-A, UL-Lafayette, Grambling, and SUNO should not be open.
SLU has a good nursing program, and teaching program. They also have a good business school despite the admins best efforts to down play it. The SLU business program offers a good accounting program. They also have a supply chain degree so it offers something unique. Plus its got a good location, it serves the north shore very well.
SUNO, LSU-A, LSU-E, and grambling serve no purpose at all.
Nicholos can serve every south of nola. UNO handles NOLA, SELU handles north shore area. LSU has its range, ULL provides a good alternative in south west LA along with mcneese. Then NW state handles central LA, La tech north la.
I don't have a huge issue with budget cuts to education if done correctly. The state botches it and the school admins botch it by not streamlining. They just make broad across the board cuts instead of axing worthless programs.
I know for a fact LSU and SLU are both littered with degrees that literally bring nothing to the table for either school. Those teachers are a huge expense and others above them. you lose some tuition revenue but it is easily offset by cutting expenses to those programs.
The state still needs to open cuts to all areas and look at alternative revenue sources. The issue is bitch arse north LA would never go for the reasonable legalization of weed.
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:11 pm to LordSaintly
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McNeese would need to significantly expand and increase its enrollment. They are only around 8,000 students, which is less than half of ULL.
It's serviceable for a city the size Lake Charles currently is. Not a lot of wasted programs here plus Sowela has grown quite a bit over the years to service the industrial training this region needs. I am sure each will continue to grow as needed.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:11 pm to stout
the redundancies in higher education in LA are best seen in the lower population areas of the north (La Tech, ULM, LSU-A, NSU, etc) and in that BR/Nola corridor (SELU, Nichols, UNO, etc)
then there are redundancies in curriculum that can be merged. all of these universities do not need to offer a full course catalog and certain curricula should be torn down to 2-year degrees and funneled into larger campuses (LSU, ULL, La Tech). also specialty programs like nursing can almost assuredly be more consolidated geographically
then there are redundancies in curriculum that can be merged. all of these universities do not need to offer a full course catalog and certain curricula should be torn down to 2-year degrees and funneled into larger campuses (LSU, ULL, La Tech). also specialty programs like nursing can almost assuredly be more consolidated geographically
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:12 pm to el Gaucho
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Shut down lsu and make The University of Louisiana the flagship
Tulane is private.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:14 pm to Slippy
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The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?
Way too many. Louisiana needs 4-6main public universities.
LSU in BR
UNO in NOLA
UL-L an/or McNeese in SWLA
LSU-S in Shreveport
LaTech in Ruston
That gives Louisiana with a public university in every region of the state. To help out those non-traditional students that can't relocate to one of those schools, each one of those schools could have online degree options. Then have the option of weekend or night classes on campus or at the community colleges for those classes that can't be taken online (i.e. biology lab).
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:15 pm to stout
Mcneese and SLU have become the whipping boys on the OT lately. They both serve a better purpose than other schools in this state.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:15 pm to hendersonshands
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Lafayette oil companies put a lot of money into the engineering programs at UL Lafayette
Used to....
Sasol, LNG etc are putting a lot of money into engineering programs at MSU currently. Keep Mcneese and make ULL a two year program. Lafayette is only 45 min from LSU
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:15 pm to stout
The largest cities in Louisiana are New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Lafayette and then Lake Charles.
Lafayette, Baton Rouge and Lake Charles are within 2.5 hours of each other. Lake Charles doesn't even have 100,000 people. Lafayette is 1.7x the size of Lake Charles.
Louisiana doesn't need 3 major four year universities within 130 miles of each other. The logical one to close is in the city with 70,000 people and with only 7,500 undergrad students and 600 graduate students.
UL Lafayette has an overall enrollment of more than 19,000 and just had a freshman class of nearly 3,200 (nearly half of the total enrollment of McNeese).
McNeese should stay open, but not as a four year school. They would function well as a two year college that awards associate degrees and feeds into UL Lafayette for bachelor degrees.
Lafayette, Baton Rouge and Lake Charles are within 2.5 hours of each other. Lake Charles doesn't even have 100,000 people. Lafayette is 1.7x the size of Lake Charles.
Louisiana doesn't need 3 major four year universities within 130 miles of each other. The logical one to close is in the city with 70,000 people and with only 7,500 undergrad students and 600 graduate students.
UL Lafayette has an overall enrollment of more than 19,000 and just had a freshman class of nearly 3,200 (nearly half of the total enrollment of McNeese).
McNeese should stay open, but not as a four year school. They would function well as a two year college that awards associate degrees and feeds into UL Lafayette for bachelor degrees.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:16 pm to Slippy
-Keep LSU.
-Keep Louisiana Tech.
Pick schools (McNeese State, Southeastern LA, Nicholls, UL-Monroe, Northwestern State, UL-Lafayette) and merge into two, separate 20,000+ universities. Offer extensive on-line education for those who cannot move or commute to the two campuses.
Have a University of North Louisiana (Shreveport is the obvious location)
Have a University of South Louisiana (Lafayette or New Orleans).
-Keep Louisiana Tech.
Pick schools (McNeese State, Southeastern LA, Nicholls, UL-Monroe, Northwestern State, UL-Lafayette) and merge into two, separate 20,000+ universities. Offer extensive on-line education for those who cannot move or commute to the two campuses.
Have a University of North Louisiana (Shreveport is the obvious location)
Have a University of South Louisiana (Lafayette or New Orleans).
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:16 pm to WeeWee
People are delusional if you think that many schools get the axe. it will never happen. I have doubts that even with deep budget cuts that any school will be cut. LSU-A, Grambling and especially SUNO should be the first logical cut.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:17 pm to hendersonshands
There is no UL, it's USL and you're USeLess
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then there are redundancies in curriculum that can be merged. all of these universities do not need to offer a full course catalog and certain curricula should be torn down to 2-year degrees and funneled into larger campuses (LSU, ULL, La Tech). also specialty programs like nursing can almost assuredly be more consolidated geographically
This.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:19 pm to hendersonshands
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Louisiana doesn't need 3 major four year universities within 130 miles of each other.
i wonder what the distance between La Tech, ULM, Grambling, LSU-A, LSU-S, and NSU is. then consider population
and if we're calling MSU a "major four year" college then what about SELU, Nichols, UNO, SUNO, LSU-BR, Southern, etc?
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:21 pm to Slippy
People think the solution is hard, but it really isn't. The problem is ego and backroom politics.
4-Year Institutions:
LSU
ULL
LaTech
UNO
Southern - Honestly, I think keeping an HBCU is important, and it should be Southern. But serious changes are needed to make it more competitive.
Closed Institutions:
SUNO - Population splits between UNO and Southern - Yes we've tried this before.
Grambling - LaTech and Southern
ULM - Move to LaTech. Pharmacy School becomes part either LSU or the UL System and independent. UL - Pharmacy School
Southern Shreveport - La Tech and Southern
LSU Alexandria
2-Year Institutions with Select 4-Year Programs:
McNeese
Nicholl's
Northwestern
Southeastern
LSU Shreveport
The 2-Year institutions CANNOT duplicate a 4-year program with each other, but they can with the 5 fully 4-Year institutions. Therefore, ULL can keep Nursing, but only one of the 5 2-Year Select Institutions can have a 4-Year program. Shift workforces around as it makes sense, cut where appropriate. Each of the 5 2-Year Select Institutions deploy as feeder schools to nearby 4-Year Institutions or Systems. They each are able to carry 3-4 Full Degree programs, primarily focused on state needs.
The need to go to a University in your backyard is not a right. I like McNeese, I think McNeese is a good school, but LA must be more efficient in how it spends education dollars ESPECIALLY since it will always remain the first to get cut.
Change that in the state constitution and maybe this argument shifts a little bit.
4-Year Institutions:
LSU
ULL
LaTech
UNO
Southern - Honestly, I think keeping an HBCU is important, and it should be Southern. But serious changes are needed to make it more competitive.
Closed Institutions:
SUNO - Population splits between UNO and Southern - Yes we've tried this before.
Grambling - LaTech and Southern
ULM - Move to LaTech. Pharmacy School becomes part either LSU or the UL System and independent. UL - Pharmacy School
Southern Shreveport - La Tech and Southern
LSU Alexandria
2-Year Institutions with Select 4-Year Programs:
McNeese
Nicholl's
Northwestern
Southeastern
LSU Shreveport
The 2-Year institutions CANNOT duplicate a 4-year program with each other, but they can with the 5 fully 4-Year institutions. Therefore, ULL can keep Nursing, but only one of the 5 2-Year Select Institutions can have a 4-Year program. Shift workforces around as it makes sense, cut where appropriate. Each of the 5 2-Year Select Institutions deploy as feeder schools to nearby 4-Year Institutions or Systems. They each are able to carry 3-4 Full Degree programs, primarily focused on state needs.
The need to go to a University in your backyard is not a right. I like McNeese, I think McNeese is a good school, but LA must be more efficient in how it spends education dollars ESPECIALLY since it will always remain the first to get cut.
Change that in the state constitution and maybe this argument shifts a little bit.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wouldn't call MSU a major four year school. I wouldn't be against SLU scaling down on the degrees offered and really being a nursing, teaching, and business factory. The only issue is you have to have other classes to round out degrees and offer electives.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
And this is why this debate never works. You can go through every post and see people defend their alma mater and/or city/region. IRL, this happens but by people with actual power/money, and therefore we get no where. 
ETA: A better hypothetical might be to say... you disband every state university. Now place 4, public universities (let's say 40,000 enrollment on average) in any city/region of the state.
ETA: A better hypothetical might be to say... you disband every state university. Now place 4, public universities (let's say 40,000 enrollment on average) in any city/region of the state.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:21 pm to el Gaucho
quote:
make The University of Louisiana the flagship
Which one?
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:22 pm to hendersonshands
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Lake Charles doesn't even have 100,000 people
quote:
is in the city with 70,000
I like how you are only going to use statistics from the city of Lake Charles instead of the entire area that McNeese services to fit your argument.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:22 pm to heartbreakTiger
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The only issue is you have to have other classes to round out degrees and offer electives.
that's the "2-year" option
or you can go more online (McNeese accepts credit from certain online providers, so it is possible)
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i wonder what the distance between La Tech, ULM, Grambling, LSU-A, LSU-S, and NSU is. then consider population
I think North Louisiana is the biggest violator of the "too many four year universities" conversation in Louisiana. I don't see the reason we should have all of those public schools.
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