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tGOAT American General U.S. Grant's memorial officially restored on the National Mall

Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:21 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:21 am
It sits at a place of high honor at the base of the Capitol Building, the statue of Grant's gaze looking off toward the memorial honoring the President he faithfully served through four years of civil war.

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In 1877, three men were commonly regarded as the foremost heroes of the United States: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Ulysses S. Grant.

For their efforts, each of these three Americans since has been recognized with a place of honor on the National Mall.

Yet over time, for various reasons, our appreciation of Grant—and the condition of his memorial—have deteriorated, while Lincoln’s and Washington’s have remained strong and well maintained. But there is reason for hope.


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As Chernow relates, Grant was truly a skillful general, and his 1863 victory at Vicksburg, Mississippi, is still studied at war colleges as a masterpiece of maneuver and tactics.

As president, Grant notably created the Justice Department to fight the KKK, helped shepherd the 15th Amendment giving blacks the right to vote, and then repeatedly deployed the Army to enforce those rights.

Of Grant, Princeton professor Sean Wilentz has written, “the evidence clearly shows that [Grant] created the most auspicious record on racial equality and civil rights of any president from Lincoln to Lyndon B. Johnson.”

Faced with the news that he was both dying of cancer and bankrupted by a villain who stole his money, Grant resolved to write his memoirs to provide for his family.

Despite the agony of cancer, Grant’s book is renowned for its clarity and lack of pretense. He died within days of finishing it, but his family’s finances were made secure.


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Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:23 am to
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, “the evidence clearly shows that [Grant] created the most auspicious record on racial equality and civil rights of any president from Lincoln to Lyndon B. Johnson.”

Uhhhhh....LBJ was racist AF
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:28 am to
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LBJ was racist AF


Indeed he was, but you clearly didn't read what was written.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:29 am to
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GOAT American General U.S. Grant
not even top 3, probably not top 3 in Civil War.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
13194 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:30 am to
Grant was the most corrupt president in the history of the country.
Not Louisiana corrupt, but pretty bad.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 7:31 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:33 am to
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not even top 3, probably not top 3 in Civil War.


Know any other U.S. commanders who had not one but three entire armies surrender personally to him/her?



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:34 am to
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not even top 3, probably not top 3 in Civil War.



Disagree. His Western Campaign is extremely underrated. He was also the only general to win battles in 3 different theaters. He's fairly underrated for some reason, in my view.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:34 am to
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Grant was the most corrupt president in the history of the country.


Grant was not personally corrupt. His biggest flaw is that he trusted men at their word, a flaw that bit him in the arse throughout his entire life. For whatever reason, he was an poor judge of character when he wasn't on a battlefield.

Posted by 10MTNTiger
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Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:37 am to
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His biggest flaw is that he trusted men at their word,


And that he was a raging alcoholic. An argument could be made just as easily that Grant was just the lucky guy in the seat when the south finally ran out of steam.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:38 am to
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His Western Campaign is extremely underrated.


His Vicksburg campaign is still studied religiously at West Point, VMI, the Citadel and other military colleges.

The dude defeated two different armies in five pitched battles inside of two weeks, before pinning one of those armies inside the defenses of Vicksburg and sending the other running home to mommy.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 7:39 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35530 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:43 am to
Grant was a drunk terrorist, war criminal and mass murderer. You should be ashamed to carry the Alabama logo, you reconstructed brainwashed pantywaist.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:43 am to
Ah Grant, when 100,000 troops isn’t enough, simply ask for 100.000 more
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:44 am to
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And that he was a raging alcoholic.


Who conquered his alcoholism through sheer will power. By the outbreak of the Civil War, he was fighting off the urge to drink and never drank before or during a campaign. During down times he would sometimes go off to an obscure place somewhere and drink, but by the end of the conflict he was very much sober. The man was involved in temperance societies for the remainder of his life.

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An argument could be made just as easily that Grant was just the lucky guy in the seat when the south finally ran out of steam.


He was the man who made them run out of steam. He conquered most of the western Confederacy practically all by himself, robbing the Confederates in the east of vital supplies and manpower they would need to fight off Grant's major offensive of 1864/65.

Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:45 am to
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Ah Grant, when 100,000 troops isn’t enough, simply ask for 100.000 more


No, that wasn't Grant. That was McClellan.

Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:46 am to
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His Vicksburg campaign is still studied religiously at West Point, VMI, the Citadel and other military colleges.


He seiged the Confederates with a shite ton more men than they had. He made like 5-7 assaults on the city, had constant bombardments from the MIssissippi river and still couldn’t force out a starved, ragged out, low ammo, and much less soldiers confederate army. Until, they literally did starve out. Of all the campaigns Grant did, Vicksburg was not near his best. Even when he had plenty of men to do the job he requested more. Pemberton had nothing.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:47 am to
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No, that wasn't Grant


No it was Grant. I’ll give Grant credit, he did get the job done. He used the resources given and took advantage of them.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35530 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:49 am to
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the end of the conflict he was very much sober. 


So, you're saying that when he committed war crimes and torched civilians, he knew exactly what he was doing?
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:49 am to
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He was the man who made them run out of steam. He conquered most of the western Confederacy practically all by himself, robbing the Confederates in the east of vital supplies and manpower they would need to fight off Grant's major offensive of 1864/65.


True, although Lee’s assault towards DC imo ran the Confederates out of steam.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71721 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:52 am to
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He seiged the Confederates with a shite ton more men than they had.


Numbers don't matter as much when an army is entrenched behind near-impregnable positions.

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He made like 5-7 assaults on the city


He only made two assaults on the city.

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Pemberton had nothing.


Pemberton had 33,000 troops that could have served the Confederate war effort elsewhere had he followed orders and evacuated the city before it was surrounded by Grant. Instead he disobeyed those orders and subjected his men and the civilian population to the unspeakable horrors of siege warfare. Had he left the city when he was ordered to, Johnston would have had 33,000 additional soldiers to fight with when he took on Sherman in 1864.

By taking the city and Pemberton's army, Grant cut the Confederacy in two and denied to the Confederate army 33,000 soldiers they would have had otherwise.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 7:54 am
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:53 am to
OP there are some good diary’s out there from Union and Confederate soldiers at Vicksburg. The confederates were making comments at night to the Yankees and joking how “We want out of here and ya’ll want in.” Many writings from the Confederates that they should have been forced out a long time ago and not sure what’s taking the Yankees so long. Grant just laid a siege after constant failed attempts. He should have been able to storm Vicksburg and take it by force with what he had. I just don’t consider a siege some kind of great tactical accomplishment.
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