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re: Texas Governor wants top teachers to earn six figures
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:32 pm to Wayne Campbell
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:32 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Your anecdotal evidence is almost a complete load of crap
Everyone's evidence is anecdotal.
Yours is as well.
But just go back to college and ask yourself this question. What type of people majored in education? Were they the people who were ALWAYS at the library studying? Were they the people that were the best and brightest? Were they the people who were the best critical thinkers?
I am guessing you (or your spouse) must have been one of them because you are so defensive.
I dont think we should pay people who were in the bottom quartile of college students 100,000 a year.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:34 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Guesswhat. The homework assignment is assigned for the student, not the parents. If the kid was conscoius in class, and paying attention in the slightest he/she should not need or expect parental units to be involved. Back in the day if I or a friend didn’t understand an assignment, we would actually call a classmate or get together and we would help each other out. Initiative and cooperation, not “Oooh mommie, the mean teacher doesn’t like me or explain my widdle homework.”
Guess what, if the teacher would be somewhat clear on assignments maybe the parent would have a clue on what was needed to be done for homework.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:36 pm to Restomod
They get 3 fricking months off, what a retarded idea
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:38 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
if the teacher would be somewhat clear on assignments maybe the parent would have a clue on what was needed to be done for homework.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:39 pm to OweO
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Texas does have one of the best school systems in the country
I would love to see some evidence of this
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:41 pm to OweO
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Texas does have one of the best school systems in the country.
They're actually ranked 37th currently
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:41 pm to Packer
Teachers have to work 2 extra weeks in August that students don’t have to go to and they think this is a huge deal. L o fricking l
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:41 pm to JawjaTigah
We are talking first graders arse hat.
First graders with about 10 hours of homework a week.
The child brings home his homework sheet, and Mom insists he bring home every fricking book, notebook, workbook, etc.
On the worksheet it says a test on "social living' on Thursday, study the study guide.
There is a study guide that says social studies, but nothing on social living. There is also a separate quiz on social studies on Friday...so one could assume that they are separate subjects.
After three phone calls and an email, come to find out that study guide has not been issued. But the test is still on for tomorrow.
You are full of shite twit. frick off.
First graders with about 10 hours of homework a week.
The child brings home his homework sheet, and Mom insists he bring home every fricking book, notebook, workbook, etc.
On the worksheet it says a test on "social living' on Thursday, study the study guide.
There is a study guide that says social studies, but nothing on social living. There is also a separate quiz on social studies on Friday...so one could assume that they are separate subjects.
After three phone calls and an email, come to find out that study guide has not been issued. But the test is still on for tomorrow.
You are full of shite twit. frick off.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:42 pm to GrammarKnotsi
How so. If you are going to waste the entirety of class and assign five subjects of homework a night, at least be clear on what duties you are punting. 
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:47 pm to tigerfoot
Put me in the camp of future teachers if the salary every gets to $100k a year.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:57 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Speak for yourself. Unissued study guides and such are not isolated events. The state mandates standardized tests; the local school boards do not always fund the appropriate materials in timely ways. The teacher gets no choice as to when a test is scheduled, even if your anecdotal one is teacher-scheduled as kind of a practice for the coming bigger one. If social living is one of the focal points of a later standard test, teacher gets caught in the limbo of no curriculum and impending test and evaluations. Remember, teachers are evaluated on how closely and well their lesson plans support standardized testing criteria. It is a mess that sadly teachers sometimes catch hell for.
twit
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:02 pm to JawjaTigah
Ok. Even if valid. Still zero reason to not have the webpage updated to let students parents know what is obtainable. Zero reason except laziness.
Every profession that is highly compensated has to be creative.
Every profession that is highly compensated has to be creative.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:42 pm to SECdragonmaster
teachers get raises and politicians get cuts.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:43 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:Given they are the only conduit, yes, it is their fault.
It is a mess that sadly teachers sometimes catch hell for.
Funny to me your default was:
Guesswhat. The homework assignment is assigned for the student, not the parents. If the kid was conscoius in class, and paying attention in the slightest he/she should not need or expect parental units to be involved. Back in the day if I or a friend didn’t understand an assignment, we would actually call a classmate or get together and we would help each other out. Initiative and cooperation, not “Oooh mommie, the mean teacher doesn’t like me or explain my widdle homework.”
And none of that applied in any way. The homework sheet was inaccurate and incomplete. There was an assignment on it that did not exist.
You have a large number of excuses regarding why it was inaccurate. Even indicating the 6 year old should get together with other 6 year olds and figure it out!
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:55 pm to Restomod
To me, the question is how to define the KPIs for successful teachers.
Currently, it seems that seniority and perhaps test scores are the only metrics, and I'm not sure those are substantial enough to dramatically stratify salaries.
Currently, it seems that seniority and perhaps test scores are the only metrics, and I'm not sure those are substantial enough to dramatically stratify salaries.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:00 pm to NCDawg52
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Currently, it seems that seniority and perhaps test scores are the only metrics, and I'm not sure those are substantial enough to dramatically stratify salaries.
No need to hedge. They are terrible ways to assess performance.
Teachers should be held accountable to keep up with the latest trends in educational research. Just like a physician has to stay abreast to the latest research in medicine, teachers shouldn't be able to sit back and "do what we've always done." That's one way to assess a teacher's performance. You could also push them to be innovative and advance their field even at a local level. In my case, why should I not be rewarded monetarily when I consistently present at a faculty meeting with a new idea for our school to use in the classroom? Why should teachers have to just accept a pat on the back?
The biggest issue IMO is that schools are treated equally when they simply aren't. You can't judge a teacher at an inner city shite school the same way you do at a wealthy suburban school. But we force that on everyone making it impossible to truly assess performance. However, I do believe that like in many other workplaces, a good manager could come up with an evaluation system that is tailored for each individual school.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:40 pm to StringedInstruments
Texas teachers health insurance is ridiculously overpriced for a family. I know it's all district specific, but overall it's terrible with high deductibles - A certain district around DFW costs around 1100 - 1200 / month for a family of 4.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:23 pm to StringedInstruments
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Teachers should be held accountable to keep up with the latest trends in educational research. Just like a physician has to stay abreast to the latest research in medicine, teachers shouldn't be able to sit back and "do what we've always done." That's one way to assess a teacher's performance. You could also push them to be innovative and advance their field even at a local level. In my case, why should I not be rewarded monetarily when I consistently present at a faculty meeting with a new idea for our school to use in the classroom? Why should teachers have to just accept a pat on the back?
We are rapidly going the other way. In this thread we have found out that teachers plow ahead with the curriculum even without materials or classroom exposure to the subject matter.
To be highly compensated in any field you have to overcome more barriers than the competitor. Teaching should be the same way. I am not so sure parents shouldnt be a part of the ranking process.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:29 pm to Restomod
How about we just fire all of them instead? US students continue to fall down the rankings. Why would we reward anyone in the educational system given those facts?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:41 pm to SECdragonmaster
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But just go back to college and ask yourself this question. What type of people majored in education? Were they the people who were ALWAYS at the library studying? Were they the people that were the best and brightest? Were they the people who were the best critical thinkers?
No, across the board, in my college years most of those that majored in education were in the lower echelon of academic ability, the only ones lower were the athletes majoring in PE.
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I dont think we should pay people who were in the bottom quartile of college students 100,000 a year.
No, but one reason for the lack of secondary math and science teachers is that if a student has the aptitude to complete the rigorous course requirements for that curriculm they will likely major in engineering or something similar with much higher potential pay. Having higher teacher pay will attract the higher caliber students to the profession, but some method must be implemented to rid the profession of the dead wood, and make all pay increases merit based with consequences for poor performance just like any other profession.
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