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re: Tesla to introduce car without steering wheel within 2 years

Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:15 am to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:15 am to
I can't wait until I don't have to drive anymore. Road trips out west will be awesome.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:16 am to
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I'm all for abolishing driver's licenses altogether.

But I'm weird and all libertarian like that.

I wouldn't be against this, as long as the penalties for breaking any laws while driving up go exponentially, like 10x or 2x what they are now.

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Nah. The freedom lost to do whatever the frick you want is too high a price for me.
I like driving. But people drive so horribly nowadays, I'd be ok with never driving again if I knew that no one else could ever drive again and I was a whole lot safer as a result.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:17 am to
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Great point. How can you swerve if an arse comes into your lane?

The car does it for you. Cars literally do that right now, today.

And they do it better and react faster than humans on average.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 11:20 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292770 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:17 am to
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but I also would prefer a utopian driving society where no one, myself included, ever had to drive and it was all completely autonomous.


But then you're at the hands of 20,000 other computers functioning properly on a ride through town, every day. While statistically it may be safer, it gives you no control

I would definitely prefer the ability of autonomous action and the ability to steer when desired.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58678 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:18 am to
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Great point. How can you swerve if an arse comes into your lane?
the computer will act 100000x faster and more effectively than you can
Posted by willymeaux
Member since Mar 2012
4873 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:18 am to
Lawsuits incoming
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:20 am to
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But then you're at the hands of 20,000 other computers functioning properly on a ride through town, every day. While statistically it may be safer, it gives you no control
We're obviously talking in generalities, and I'm moreso talking about something probably 25 or 50 or more years away. What I'm talking about, yes you give up control, but you're not just a tad safer in a car than you are now or a good bit safer. It would be exponentially safer. And I have no doubt we'll get to that point, it'll just be a loooooong time from now.

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I would definitely prefer the ability of autonomous action and the ability to steer when desired.

That's fine too, that is awesome.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133365 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:20 am to
I'm trying to picture myself driving my family over the old Mississippi River bridge in Baton Rouge in that car.




Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:23 am to
Add this shite to the list of Tesla promises that will never happen.
Posted by bamaatlsu
Dallas
Member since Mar 2007
5068 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:25 am to
Once this thing goes live, the biggest point that I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned, is that the cars will be able to communicate with each other. Things will be so much safer and much more efficient.

When the light turns green, EVERY SINGLE car at the light will go. Even if you're the 12th car back, when that light turns green your car will start moving. Each car will communicate with every other car, so there are no sudden/unexpected lane changes.

Now, the bumpy road (no pun intended) during the time of autonomous cars AND human-driven cars sharing the road will probably not be for the faint at heart.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:25 am to
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Add this shite to the list of Tesla promises that will never happen.
The promises happen more often than not, they just don't meet the original timelines they present.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:26 am to
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the computer will act 100000x faster and more effectively than you can
I think you got that point backwards, but ok.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4119 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:28 am to


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I wouldn't be against this, as long as the penalties for breaking any laws while driving up go exponentially, like 10x or 2x what they are now.



Nah again. Most rules of the road are there so you can get taxed, I mean ticketed or inspected for contraband by the tax collectors.

We need way less regulation and interference, not more.

Example: before texting and driving penalties, You used to be able to send a quick text with your phone way up in the air so at least you could have a peripheral view of the road. Texting and driving laws dont stop ppl from texting, they force people's heads down in their lap, so no sensory perception and zero situational awareness is available. So now ppl tailgate and text so they can try to respond to flashes of brake lights and it's gotten worse out there.

Btw. I dont advocate texting and driving, it's just an example of unintended consequences, and an example of no one following the rules despite the consequences.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
60868 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:29 am to
Why are auto makers trying so hard to force tech that isn't anywhere close to being ready?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:30 am to
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Why are auto makers trying so hard to force tech that isn't anywhere close to being ready?
It's likely a lot closer than you think for the type of use they are ready to roll out.


Also, the actual answer to your question is the 1st to market will be a big winner here, why would they not try to be first? Especially since this is something that is going to happen. It's not a question of if, it's just when it'll happen.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 11:31 am
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
60868 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:43 am to
A Tesla has already killed a person b/c the car couldn't read the road conditions properly.

Do you really trust them to properly design a car with no steering wheel that drives well enough to account for every possible scenario?

Hell, they just dripped Nvidia as their micro-chip provider and are claiming they invented a chip that is now better than anything else anyone has ever created. Have fun being a live debugger for them.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:46 am to
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A Tesla has already killed a person b/c the car couldn't read the road conditions properly.
Correct, and yet Teslas on Auto Pilot are way safer than the average human driver.

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Do you really trust them to properly design a car with no steering wheel that drives well enough to account for every possible scenario?
Right now on every possible road in America? No, I don't.

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Hell, they just dripped Nvidia as their micro-chip provider and are claiming they invented a chip that is now better than anything else anyone has ever created. Have fun being a live debugger for them.
Yes, because the alternative of driving on the road with peple glued to their cell phones are super safe, right?
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 11:46 am
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:49 am to
I know you fan boys want this to happen yesterday. Truth to told most of the population has no interest nor trust in this. You can be first to market, but if no one is buying your shite it doesn’t matter.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4119 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:51 am to
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I know you fan boys want this to happen yesterday. Truth to told most of the population has no interest nor trust in this. You can be first to market, but if no one is buying your shite it doesn’t matter.



I think it would be awesome, but I'm entirely against it being mandatory or even favored through law and regulation.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 11:53 am to
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but if no one is buying your shite it doesn’t matter.



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