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Tech Giants’ Self-Made AI Energy Crisis
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:49 pm
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EDIT: It appears this topic is starting to gain traction.
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As big tech continued their march towards “green” energy it appears they have kicked the table legs out from under them. This will get interesting in the next 5-10 years.
EDIT: It appears this topic is starting to gain traction.
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As big tech continued their march towards “green” energy it appears they have kicked the table legs out from under them. This will get interesting in the next 5-10 years.
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For the last decade, tech giants such as Apple, Microsoft, Meta, and Google have, through dedicated anti-fossil-fuel propaganda and political efforts, promoted the shutdown of reliable fossil fuel power plants in favor of unreliable solar and wind.
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Tech giants have propagandized against reliable fossil fuel power plants by falsely claiming to be "100% renewable" and implying everyone could do it. In fact, they have just paid utilities to credit them for others' solar and wind use and blame others for their coal and gas use.
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The RE100 coalition, including Google, Apple, Meta, and Microsoft, advocates for policies to “accelerate change towards zero carbon grids at scale by 2040.”
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To function at its potential, AI requires massive amounts of power. E.g., state-of-the-art data centers can require as much electricity as a large nuclear reactor.
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Official 10-year projections for the US have summer and winter peak demand rising by over 79 gigawatt and over 90 gigawatt. 90 gigawatt is equivalent to adding the entire power generating capacity of California
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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in an interview that energy will be the #1 bottleneck to AI progress.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 8:09 am
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:06 pm to bapple
Smart people have been saying all along that the capacity is NOT there. You can’t accelerate output of a solar or wind farm when demand peaks. Only fossil and nuclear power plants can increase output to meet demand. Someone made a shite ton of money from green energy tax breaks, This is what happens when you make decisions and vote because of emotions and feelings as opposed to common sense.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:11 pm to michael corleone
We desperately need to embrace the new progress in nuclear energy.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:15 pm to bapple
A whole lot of WTF there. That’s crazy.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:15 pm to bapple
The tech giants have a major ideological reckoning coming. A lot of that free low-interest money fueled their fires and made them arrogant and fat. Their little activist shite head workforce reveled in it as well slamming their views on everyone. It's going to crash on their heads and I can't wait.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:21 pm to St Augustine
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We desperately need to embrace the new progress in nuclear energy.
Amen.
Most of the existing nuclear fleet units were designed and built in the 1960s and 1970s.
We've come a long way in 50 years.
The new Gen 4 nukes are safer and more efficient.
Build them.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:24 pm to bapple
There are 2 huge data centers coming to MS. One for Amazon and another for some other company. The expected energy consumption is about 50% of the current energy consumed in Entergy MS territory. We are having to scramble to build new generation for them
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:29 pm to Civildawg
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E.g., state-of-the-art data centers can require as much electricity as a large nuclear reactor.
If only we had some sort of power plant that could generate as much electricity as a large nuclear reactor, without burning fossil fuels. It's a real tough nut to crack. Maybe we can ask AI.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:35 pm to St Augustine
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We desperately need to embrace the new progress in nuclear energy.
Totally agree with you. But the amount of red tape and bureaucracy in the way in the US puts it probably 5-10 years out before a design can be standardized. Wish it was more streamlined and that nuclear hadn’t been demonized decades ago because it’s the most energy-dense and safest form available.
But the most realistic path forward is natural gas to nuclear, which Robert Bryce denotes as N2N. It will be even more entertaining to watch if big tech can’t build natural gas generation quickly enough and have to reverse course on coal generation. All hell will break loose.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 5/17/24 at 8:09 am to bapple
OP edited with new article. This topic is starting to gain some traction.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 9:40 am to bapple
Energy requirements of tech are going up just as the "global middle class" is coming online. Billions of people in India, Indonesia, China, Russia, Brazil, Turkey, South Africa moving into global middle class. World energy demand is going way up, not sideways, definitely not down.
Renewables should be used to fill the gaps, but unfortunately we are not in a position to replace fossil fuels completely. Production needs to be exponentially higher. Storage needs to be exponentially better. The Grid needs to be modernized to handle distributed production and intermittent flows. All of this will cost a shite ton of money and will be inflationary in the short term.
Doesn't mean it isn't worth doing -- in fact, I'd argue that we 100% have to do it. But don't expect any miracles anytime soon.
Renewables should be used to fill the gaps, but unfortunately we are not in a position to replace fossil fuels completely. Production needs to be exponentially higher. Storage needs to be exponentially better. The Grid needs to be modernized to handle distributed production and intermittent flows. All of this will cost a shite ton of money and will be inflationary in the short term.
Doesn't mean it isn't worth doing -- in fact, I'd argue that we 100% have to do it. But don't expect any miracles anytime soon.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 9:51 am to bapple
Didn’t I hear that AI is using more power in the US than bitcoin mining? That’s astonishing if true.
And definitely a bit of a conundrum for the climate alarmists who love AI.
And definitely a bit of a conundrum for the climate alarmists who love AI.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:16 pm to CleverUserName
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Renewables should be used to fill the gaps, but unfortunately we are not in a position to replace fossil fuels completely.
The biggest problem with intermittent systems is that they require an equally-sized redundant backup system, usually utilizing natural gas. So for the discounted low cost of 2 redundant systems, I’d rather just use the one that I can dial up or down at my discretion rather than the one Mother Nature turns up or down as she desires.
Battery storage has the same low energy density problem as solar and wind. Until a massive breakthrough happens in battery technology, it will not be a feasible alternative, especially considering China owns the mining and processing side of lithium batteries. It simultaneously becomes an energy security issue.
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Didn’t I hear that AI is using more power in the US than bitcoin mining? That’s astonishing if true.
Most big tech companies use more energy in the US than some small countries in the world do. It would not surprise me if your statement is true.
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