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re: Tangipahoa Parish rape victim ordered to pay her abuser child support

Posted on 6/16/22 at 8:42 am to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 8:42 am to
If nothing else, things leaving family court to end up on the news certainly flipped who is in control here.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 8:45 am to
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If nothing else, things leaving family court to end up on the news certainly flipped who is in control here.

Yep. And daylight seems to be exactly what’s needed in this case. Way too many unanswered questions.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:06 am to
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If mom is crazy and the worse he’s done is slap his ex-wife and sleep with a minor 17 years ago, that’s much better for the daughter


There is no evidence the mom is crazy but there is 100% evidence the father committed, at a minimum, Louisiana's equivalent to statutory rape and has pending allegations from two woman. And depending on whether Carnal Knowledge Felony would be considered falling under the statute of a rape conviction, the father would be ineligible to keep the child anyways.



This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 9:08 am
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:39 am to
Dum vita est, spes est.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:41 am to
You still defending this guy?
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:45 am to
Dictum factum.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12634 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:55 am to
NOW she's saying he sexually abused the daughter:

He said that Abelseth told the child to invent the claims of sexual abuse, in a bid to have him arrested.

He claimed in court documents that Abelseth was allowing the teenager to have sex with her boyfriend, and that the phone was being used for the pair to 'sext' each other.

He also complained that the child was taken to see a counsellor without any need, and without his permission.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 9:57 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:59 am to
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When this finally gets to court we will find that Colleen was at the apartment as well and may not be helpful to the accuser.


I'm not sure if your reading comprehension is bad, but neither of those statements assert Colleen was with her and John Barnes at his home.

Are you once again just trying to assume defenses upon John because you so badly want the narrative you jumped to to be true? Seems so

This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:00 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103919 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:00 am to
Not going into it but that facility in NOLA will make appointments for you if your PCP decides the child needs to be examined. The father’s wishes are irrelevant as far as they care.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:07 am to
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NOW she's saying he sexually abused the daughter:

He said that Abelseth told the child to invent the claims of sexual abuse, in a bid to have him arrested.

He claimed in court documents that Abelseth was allowing the teenager to have sex with her boyfriend, and that the phone was being used for the pair to 'sext' each other.

He also complained that the child was taken to see a counsellor without any need, and without his permission.


I love how some of you are automatically assuming she is lying and defaulting to believing and holding up the statements of the predatory statutory rapist as some sort of reliable narrator.

Could just as easily be John is making shite up or exaggerating claims to what is clearly a friendly judge that has sealed his records on his behalf already, in a city he has business ties with law enforcement that he's allegedly swung his dick around town about having.

And did you miss the part that they did a medical exam on the child the day after in question and they came back positive?
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:10 am
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:09 am to
Non ducor, duco.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:12 am to
Audere est faucere.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:20 am to
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The narrative that is true is that the accuser keeps adding things and some are contradicting each other.


Nothing in what you posted raises any contradiction about the night in question so far though. If you have that report please link it.

And unless there is more context, Crysta mentioning John on a Facebook post 3 years ago, which was during the period she was forced into 50/50 custody, is difficult to draw the sort of insidious conclusion you did.

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It will come out eventually that she only tried to track the accused down five years later when she learned her then 21 year old boyfriend wasn’t the father and the other 30 year man she had slept with at the same time wasn't the father. That then 30 year old man was told the same story by the accuser. She was an upperclassmen at SLU who was writing a book. The accused was the third paternity test done. But yet she later claims he knew about the pregancy immediately. Her accusations concerning an event at her high school reunion will come out as well.



I mean its not that wild that if she was raped, tried to move on like it didnt happen, learned that the boyfriend at the time wasnt the biological father, that she would want answers about who is, or even want financial support given that, you know, she was potentially raped(at a minimum Louisiana's version of statutory rape). And having an active sex life isn't criminal, but 30 year olds that should know better, like John Barnes, who apparently was friends with the brother of what were High School girls at the time, should.

This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:23 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177271 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:28 am to
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The alleged victim sought the accused out after 2 other failed paternity tests to confirm paternity and establish custody with him. The first paternity test ordered was another man over 21 at the time. Has she filed charges against him yet?

This girl had sex with more than one man when she was 16?
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:30 am to
Amor vincit omnia.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Ex-Popcorn
Member since Nov 2005
2368 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:38 am to
It is only contradictory if you assume what she meant by saying "knew of the pregnancy"

You take that to mean "knew that I was pregnant." That may or may not have been what she meant. She may have meant "knew that I had given birth to a child a few years earlier"
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49661 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:40 am to
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Ken with AN17 interviewing Sheriff Daniel Edwards.


Nothing but CYA, now they basically are being forced to address it. Notice the comments are turned off? That is all you need to know. That worm Ken Ben Benitez is the mouthpiece for Parish Government here. Will be interesting to see who all runs for Sheriff. I have a pretty good idea who will win.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:43 am to
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“When my daughter was five years old, he found out about her, and once he found out about her, he pursued custody and wanted to take her away from me," Abelseth told The Investigative Unit. “They granted him 50-50 custody despite the fact that [the child] was caused by rape."


You are moving goalposts.

You initially implied the documents indicated her friend was at the home during the night in question, but that was not in those reports you posted. If you have documents that state that though, please do post them.

As to the contradiction in what John knew and when. Did you miss the part that John Barnes was friends with the alleged victim's friends brother? Does not seem unreasonable that as her pregnancy progressed, that John would become aware and she was made to conclude through typical interaction with mutual friends or acquaintances that John knew about her pregnancy.

Feels like some of you are really determined to slut shame her and go to bat for John's reputation?

She may end up being a terrible human being too, it's possible, but the angle some of you are taking where the implication is that if she was sexually active and promiscuous, or would initially have sought financial support, puts her on the level of a 30 year old that knowingly targeted a high schooler, yeah, that's a no on that one from me. Gonna need some actual evidence of her being on that level of terrible to make that sort of equivalency.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:48 am
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49661 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:50 am to
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eta: Point I wanted to make was the place to me as someone who at 31 and even now thought the place was more a younger crowd. Perhaps college age. Maybe it's me but I'd feel creepy hanging out there. Also all the other shite that happened there too.



I haven't been in there very much but the crowd varies. From what I gather the crowd gets younger later at night. Early its people stopping in for a drink after work. The crowds appears to be older on Saturday during the day and on Sundays during football season. The place used to have a rep as being a place you had to watch your back. That is where that Bama was knocked out and killed a number of years ago. Ironically it was another Bama fan that did it and it had nothing to do with the game. Stray Cats is much better, no bullshite in there.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:54 am to
At this point the type of crowd at the bar seems irrelevant when John Barnes was there with a friend who's high school sister was one of the "friends" in question.

The excuse put forward by many earlier that John was probably just innocently picking up random woman or this girl approached him blindly, and John just had no way to know she was 16, no longer really holds water.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:56 am
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