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re: Successful Grade Appeals at LSU

Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:08 pm to
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Have any of you ever successfully appealed grades?
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42199 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:15 pm to
It seems the prof should have clearly stated this new requirement in class, or at least posted it on Blackboard (or whatever e-learning suite you use).

You may have a legit argument, but it's hard getting grades changed. Make sure you have water tight evidence.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42199 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:16 pm to
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Successful Grade Appeals at LSU
department head. if this new specification for the project was not verbally said in class, you have a good point to show him/her. imo, you cant change assignments through email and expect everyone to get said email and follow it to a T. things like this need to be addressed in the classroom




The problem is proving the teacher didn't mention it in class.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36419 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:33 pm to
Someone needs to link Jared Foster this thread.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16283 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:38 pm to
Don't know LSU's policies, but they're probably like everyone else - there are only a few grounds for an appeal.

- Error in calculation.
- Malice.
- Failure to grade submitted work.
- Error in grading.

Sound like you're arguing error in grading, but if he sent the email in sufficient time, he's covered.

Don't get me wrong, it's pretty stupid of a faculty member to change the terms in the middle of the semester and then hammer students on it, but he appears to be covered in this situation.

The chair is the next step in your appeal. The only thing they can do is to tell you "no," so you might as well appeal. If enough people appeal this issue, the chair may order the prof to reassess the policy and subsequent grades.

You're facing long odds, but what the hell.

And -- read the emails.
Posted by killercoconut
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2008
3865 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:08 pm to
To the parties who say e-mail isn't considered a viable means of communication...I graduated from LSU in 2011 and when I was an incoming freshmen we were told that if a professor/the university sends an email to your official LSU email account it is considered your responsibility to read it.

Where I get iffy is that he's taking off 25%. Sounds like he's just a dick or you did something to puss him off.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
101959 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:23 pm to
sounds like the professor is a dick but make sure your syllabus doesn't say anything explicit like "syllabus subject to change" and/or "communication will be through e-mail". Those words could frick you.
Posted by Signal Soldier
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:33 pm to
You're better off just blowing this guy for a better grade
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:25 am to
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I received a very poor grade on a final project even though all specifications on the syllabus were followed. I did not follow one NEW specification the professor casually tossed in an email that was mixed up with all of my other emails and he's trying to tell me that he can take off 25% of my grade because of it. I'm stating that because I followed what the syllabus and all other official documents stated that I should receive full credit, because all of the content was given perfect marks. He's saying that his email in which he put 3/4 of the way down a new specification without any emphasis on it is good enough. His TA is just a bitch who thinks she is a dean. The issue took me from an A to a C and I'm pissed. ETA: The new specification had to do with the length of one of my arguments in the project. Because it was short based upon some bullshite system he decided to add a couple weeks ago in that email, I lost all my points.

Burn those mother frickers to the ground. There is no excuse in that type of bull shite. What in the shite does it accomplish to frick someone like that?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:31 am to
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email is not a guaranteed method of communication.


come on man....


Well it really isn't unless you receive a read receipt or a delivery report proving it. I'd say less than 10% of all emails make it through our work filters. It's ridiculous how much spam is out there. I'm not sure how the tigermail/gmail filters are set up, but I do remember getting several teacher and university emails sent to my spam folder.

That is from an IT Audit and Risk perspective though.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 1:38 am
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29473 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:39 am to
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If you sent your professor an email about something important to you regarding the class, would you expect him to read it? Then why don't you read your professor's emails?

It always baffles me how this generation has such expertise on technology and can't spend two seconds away from it, yet when that technology requires some kind of responsibility or action on their part, they suddenly don't know how to use it or did not receive the message.

If your boss sends you an email that you don't read, and you mess up an important project you are working on because of it, you likely get fired. Treat this as a learning experience that fortunately happened when the stakes were not that high.


This is pretty silly. I work in a profession that has a constant flow of email communication and requires an extremely high level of attention to detail. It's not uncommon for things to get lost in the shuffle and overlooked due to time constraints, sleep deprivation, and just the sheer volume of email traffic that plagues our inboxes everyday. It's not good to miss stuff but people don't get fired for it.

I'm not far removed from undergrad at all and can definitely relate to the OP in that your college email account can get spammed by both the university's higher-up assholes and the professors themselves with unimportant or entirely useless info. So while the OP isn't 100% blameless, it's understandable that he would miss a couple of important emails.

Spare the OP the shitty lesson. He had good intentions, worked hard for an A, and had a minor frickup that had a disproportionate effect on his grade due to an academic taking himself too seriously. Future employment or MBA applications should not be adversely affected by some dickhead with no perspective on his own relevance to the world.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 1:46 am
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
18965 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 5:00 am to
OP,

I would offer to email you a POC I have at LSU that may be able to help you, but we all know you wouldn't receive it anyways... so...
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 7:41 pm to
BUMP
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5736 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 7:58 pm to
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The chair is the next step in your appeal. The only thing they can do is to tell you "no," so you might as well appeal. If enough people appeal this issue, the chair may order the prof to reassess the policy and subsequent grades.

department chairs don't give two shits about whiny students complaining about their grades at the end of the semester. especially if the prof in question is tenured or tenure-track (and prob. is if this is a 4000 level course). like you said, the prof sounds like a dick for pulling this, but he's covered. especially if there is any language in the syllabus that says it's subject to change.

besides that, a formal appeal will typically involve an impartial board and an advocate on behalf of the student (usually someone from student govt). at least that's how they do it where i've worked.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59145 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:01 pm to
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department chairs don't give two shits about whiny students complaining about their grades at the end of the semester
i've had good luck with just a single email.

the key is other students having the same issue.
Posted by Futures Bleak
Member since Jun 2014
3545 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:08 pm to

College is not HS. Professors aren't going to be holding your hand to make sure you're on top of your shite.
Welcome to real life
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37145 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:17 pm to
why is a guy like you going to college anyway? it seems like you have no respect for or interest in learning from professors and teaching assistants.

if they live in useless ivory towers why do you insist on attending?
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58887 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:24 pm to
I used to do this shite all the ti,e when I was in college. Sometimes I knew I was the one that messed up but still went and talked to teachers. The answer is always going to be no if you don't try to talk to anyone about it. It's not like they can lower your grade anymore than they already have.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44888 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:32 pm to
Congrats Jared
Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7390 posts
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:58 pm to
I tried once, but the teacher was the department head so I didn't get very far.
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