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re: Standoff between Police and Students at the Chinese University of Hong Kong
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:47 am to PaperPaintball92
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:47 am to PaperPaintball92
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I have been on deployment for the last 156 days. I'm on the ship ride home now. Shows you how much I have missed.
Welcome home.
And don't worry, it appears as though almost everyone missed it.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:51 am to MikeyFL
The whole situation in HK is fricked up, and has been stated in this thread already, the best way for the world to deter China from escalating further is to simply observe the situation. The Chinese economy is carried by the rest of the world, namely the US. China does not want to harm that in any way whatsoever, otherwise their paper tiger economy will start to show its true arse. Sanctions etc. will come flying, and already have been, in response to Chinese brutality against HK.
The US has already passed a law in the House (I'm not sure what state the law is in right now) that basically states that China must respect HK's autonomy or face repercussions, mainly economic in nature.
ETA: I know there's a lot of 'not my circus, not my monkeys' mentality going on here, and I don't exactly disagree. That said, simply observing the situation is all the world has to do, and react economically. No need for military action as no one, including China, wants that anyway. That could change, but I doubt it at the moment. Supporting the protesters isn't exactly a difficult thing to do in various ways, however small.
The US has already passed a law in the House (I'm not sure what state the law is in right now) that basically states that China must respect HK's autonomy or face repercussions, mainly economic in nature.
ETA: I know there's a lot of 'not my circus, not my monkeys' mentality going on here, and I don't exactly disagree. That said, simply observing the situation is all the world has to do, and react economically. No need for military action as no one, including China, wants that anyway. That could change, but I doubt it at the moment. Supporting the protesters isn't exactly a difficult thing to do in various ways, however small.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:53 am to MikeyFL
To say I care even a little bit about Hong Kong or China would be vastly overstating it. I feel absolutely nothing but contempt for those people.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:09 am to TigerStripes06
Glad you shared that.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:24 am to MikeyFL
How much longer until the police start using lethal weapons in lieu of riot control?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:26 am to DeafJam73
Is arresting protestors and sending them to prison camps not a lethal weapon?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:27 am to DeafJam73
They already have employed lethal weapons, just sparingly thus far. Otherwise, unholy amounts of tear gas & rubber bullets coupled with severe beatings.
The moment lethal weapons get employed on a grander scale is the same moment the situation escalates into something China likely won't be able to control anymore without severe repercussions.
The moment lethal weapons get employed on a grander scale is the same moment the situation escalates into something China likely won't be able to control anymore without severe repercussions.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:29 am to TigerStripes06
I'm kinda there too. I feel a little sorry for HK citizens, but when you get right down to it, frick em, they're chinese.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:31 am to Hogbit
quote:You do realize the government system they have lived in for their entire lives is night & day different, right?
I feel a little sorry for HK citizens, but when you get right down to it, frick em, they're chinese.
What you just said is the equivalent of saying frick blacks because of some shitty African country that just happens to be a predominantly black demographic.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:32 am to MikeyFL
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There is an agreement that Hong Kong would continue to enjoy the same freedoms and rights (freedom of press, freedom of assembly, independent judiciary, etc.) that it had under British rule for 50 years.
It's a concept called "One country, two systems."
Considering Hong Kong & Macau both have very similar histories why does this policy seem to work in Macau?
For the most part Macau leans more Pro Beijing.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:34 am to Kodar
Well actually, i said i didnt really care about how the chicoms handled their biz in regards to the chinese people in HK. I dont have alot of give a shite for them.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:36 am to Kodar
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You do realize the government system they have lived in for their entire lives is night & day different, right?
We live in a time where people think it’s cool to go out of their ways to say “I don’t care”.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:39 am to Hogbit
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Well actually, i said i didnt really care about how the chicoms handled their biz in regards to the chinese people in HK.
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I feel a little sorry for HK citizens, but when you get right down to it, frick em, they're chinese.
Bruh. Come on
At least you backtracked, but that was not a good stance to enter with.
Also again, the Chinese people in HK are Hong Kong citizens more or less. You know, another government, another system. Not too far off from saying, "I don't give a frick how the Chinese government handles the citizens in Taiwan."
For the record, I'm not saying you NEED to give a frick about the situation, but you seem hyper focused on the ethnicity of the citizens, which is bizarre.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:40 am to TigerStripes06
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I feel absolutely nothing but contempt for those people.
Whatever electronic device you posted this from came mostly from Chinese parts and/or labor.
If you weren't hypocritical you'd throw it into a lake and never post again.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:46 am to Kodar
Last i looked, china was populated with chinese people, even HK.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:03 pm to Hogbit
quote:And? The HK populace have lived in an entirely different system. They're not like mainland Chinese citizens at all. The HK populace have enjoyed freedoms of various kinds, the same type of freedoms that China does not have. HK was outside Chinese influence during its time under British rule, and due to an agreement upon the handover, HK is supposed to be autonomous. China is clearly violating this i.e. encroaching upon a democratic (the degree of democratic can be debated, but the main point is the freedoms they have had) territory with the intent of assimilating them into their communist regime.
Last i looked, china was populated with chinese people, even HK.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:17 pm to Kodar
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The HK populace have lived in an entirely different system. They're not like mainland Chinese citizens at all. The HK populace have enjoyed freedoms of various kinds, the same type of freedoms that China does not have. HK was outside Chinese influence during its time under British rule, and due to an agreement upon the handover, HK is supposed to be autonomous. China is clearly violating this i.e. encroaching upon
Macau has lived under a different system than mainland China, enjoyed freedoms & were outside of China's rule until the 1999 handover . People of Macau view themselves as Chinese & seem to have few problems ( for the most part) with the One China Policy.
Fascinating to see the 2 different approaches to China from similar regions . I thought someone would have some insight.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:21 pm to Kodar
And i said that since most of the HK population is chinese, i dont really give a shite how they handle their internal affairs.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:34 pm to Hogbit
quote:You are failing to grasp the big picture This is not like a state in the US rebelling against the nation. This is a loosely connected territory with its own legislative system, its own governing system, a set of systems that China are supposed to respect and not interfere with. The reason the world is watching with such intent is due to the obvious nature of Chinese interference in the situation, and by extension, a brutal communist regime trying to impose itself on another body. You do not have to give a shite as I've stated, but this is not some case of internal affairs. The US as a nation even treats HK differently due to their very special nature.
And i said that since most of the HK population is chinese, i dont really give a shite how they handle their internal affairs.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:35 pm to sugar71
quote:I simply don't know much about Macau, at least not enough to make a comment about it. I would just be guessing. The list of reasons could be nigh endless.
Fascinating to see the 2 different approaches to China from similar regions . I thought someone would have some insight.
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