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re: Standoff between Police and Students at the Chinese University of Hong Kong
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:43 pm to sugar71
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:43 pm to sugar71
quote:
Considering Hong Kong & Macau both have very similar histories why does this policy seem to work in Macau?
For the most part Macau leans more Pro Beijing.
Hong Kong and Macau only have a similar history in terms of a colonial presence. The British had a completely different attitude towards Hong Kong than the Portuguese did with Macau, however.
People have written entire books on their differences, but I'll distill it down to a couple:
The British ensured that Hong Kong had an independent and transparent judiciary, as well as an independent anti-corruption unit that ensured a free enterprise environment. Hong Kong was also a libertarian paradise, with low taxes, free speech, and an amazingly efficient government. (I've known expats in Hong Kong who received their business licenses within 24 hours.) As a result, many Chinese who fled Mao became quite wealthy in Hong Kong from the 1970's-1990's. The British were not always wonderful to Chinese in Hong Kong, but they did take great care in making sure the city was efficient and orderly. The public transportation system is still a marvel. Thus, Hong Kong became the de facto center for Asian finance and trade in the 20th century.
Macau, on the other hand, was a symptom of Portuguese apathy and neglect. Rather than build a stable economy, the Portuguese just essentially sold the city to Stanley Ho, a gangster who ruthlessly held a monopoly on gambling (and virtually every other industry) for decades. Macau became a hub for all kinds of illicit trade, prostitution, and other seedy activities. It also lacked a free press, any semblance of a fair judicial system, and had very little public discourse.
Ironically, since China took it over, Macau has been cleaned up some, especially since gaming interests from Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn gained entry into the city. However, it's a booming economy for different reasons than Hong Kong. Macau is essentially the main place where rich Chinese can circumvent tight currency restrictions in China and exchange their currency out of RMB and into US dollars, Euros, or other forms of currency through VIP rooms.
In short, Macau was essentially controlled by Chinese interests even when it was Portguese, and that's why the transition hasn't meant much to the people living there.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:46 pm to MikeyFL
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Macau, on the other hand, was a symptom of Portuguese apathy and neglect.
Opium tends to take the step out of people.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Kodar
You are failng to grasp that i completely understand what you are posting. I also completely understand HK's relationship with mainland china.
I still dont give a shite.
I still dont give a shite.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:52 pm to Hogbit
You post a lot on this thread for not giving a shite.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:54 pm to MikeyFL
You’re going to have to be called MikeyChinese will all the info you’re sharing in this thread.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:56 pm to LSUGrrrl
I studied international business over there, so it feels good to make use of all that research sometimes.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:58 pm to MikeyFL
It turned into a discussion about my lack of caring.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:47 pm to Hogbit
quote:
It turned into a discussion about my lack of caring.
quote:
I feel a little sorry for HK citizens, but when you get right down to it, frick em, they're chinese.
Come on, there are very few ways that entry statement can be interpreted I even made an earlier post stating you are free to not give a shite. If that was your only concern, you could've highlighted that and not posted any longer. Problem solved.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:50 pm to MikeyFL
quote:Nice summary on things, and thanks for the Macau info.
MikeyFL
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:56 pm to MikeyFL
sugar will just ignore all of this since he is an avowed communist.
Great information though.
Great information though.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 2:21 pm to MikeyFL
quote:Thanks Mikey.
Hong Kong and Macau only have a similar history in terms of a colonial presence. The British had a completely different attitude towards Hong Kong than the Portuguese did with Macau, however.
People have written entire books on their differences, but I'll distill it down to a couple:
Best , most cconcise explanation I've heard about Hong Kong/ Macau considering its such a long & complex subject matter.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 2:40 pm to Hogbit
quote:
You are failng to grasp that i completely understand what you are posting. I also completely understand HK's relationship with mainland china.
I still dont give a shite.
You should care because China is bent on nothing less than global domination and this is an opening gambit.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:04 pm to LSUBoo
quote:ok LeBron
I don’t think that every issue should be everybody’s problem,. There’s multiple things that we haven’t talked about that happen in our own country that we don’t bring up
Posted on 11/12/19 at 4:57 pm to Jim Rockford
If mainland chicoms want to get into internal conflict with HK, that is nothing but good for us.
I hope they start killing one another.
I hope they start killing one another.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:40 pm to MikeyFL
quote:You in HK?
MikeyFL
I am in Central and could use an LSU padnuh here!
Seriously, MikeyFL and Kodar seem to be the only ones semi-informed on the situation. It is pretty messed up and a lot more complicated than how it is represented by the media. It will get worse before it gets better.
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