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re: St. Bernard group sues to stop new container port
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
The state and the country need this.
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:13 pm to teke184
population was roughly 70k pre katrina. no idea what it is now
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:19 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Y'all keep screwing around down there in Nola and there will be no port. Memphis will upgrade, Mississippi will upgrade Vicksburg, refineries will move and there will be no reason to dock in LA
There's a tremendous cost to go that far upriver... and bridges crossing the river that limit height of cargo.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:21 pm to teke184
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On top of that, isn’t St Bernard significantly emptier than it was when Katrina made landfall? I know most if not all the parish got flooded out and many who left never came back.
It's roughly at 48K now and was roughly 65-67K when Katrina hit.
But of that 48K... I'd be surprised if 20K lived there before Katrina. Lots of people have moved to there since Katrina. Lot of people that left after Katrina never came back.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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40 Arpent Canal,
It's been a long time since I heard that. I use to ride my bike down there and frick shite up along the bank.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
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St. Bernard group sues to stop new container port
Hopefully this suit doesn't last very long. New Orleans and the entire USA need new container ports. I'd like to see container barges on the Mississippi. This could put the entire population of St. Bernard Parish to work as longshoremen. That's good work for good pay and good benefits.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Whether they build in St. Bernard or Plaquemines... someone is going to have to expand infrastructure.
The plan for Port NOLA would be to build a new rail link spur from the NE corner of Jackson Barracks (roughly where the current line turns south) and head east, basically through the wetlands north of the 40 Arpent Canal, cross Paris Rd, then go all the way down to the port property (which would extend north to the 40 Arpent).
Likewise a new road would be built alongside the rail link starting at Paris Rd and follow the rail into the facility.
Judge Perez and a relocated north St. Bernard highway would have an overpass that goes over the new road / rail link.
That's the only way this works. It doesn't work with current rail/road.
i'm in lexington and unless they upgrade the infrastructure frick this port nonsense. and even if they say they're going to do it will it be like the airport insanity where they build it and belatedly start on the actual infrastructure for this? what does this do to property values? too many unknowns and too much good ol boy louisiana bullshite
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:36 pm to TBoy
Well hopefully the people of St Bernard can have a voice in it and get to vote like Slidell did with the casino. That way you outsiders who keep saying “we need more ports” don’t have a say.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:39 pm to geauxtigers87
It’s funny how all the outsiders are all like “frick st bernard, we need more ports”.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:42 pm to SelaTiger
I get the St Bernard resident opinion.
They just saw a new international airport put on a 2 lane street. There is limited access out of the parish that is already fricked most days.
The port really needs to happen, but it needs a ton of infrastructure support that is going to play second fiddle.
Look at the port traffic leaving NOLA now, it has to progess down Tchoup to one access point with every day traffic.
They have some legit concerns. Port of New Orleans doesn't give a shite about making the roads and access any better.
They just saw a new international airport put on a 2 lane street. There is limited access out of the parish that is already fricked most days.
The port really needs to happen, but it needs a ton of infrastructure support that is going to play second fiddle.
Look at the port traffic leaving NOLA now, it has to progess down Tchoup to one access point with every day traffic.
They have some legit concerns. Port of New Orleans doesn't give a shite about making the roads and access any better.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:43 pm to bigberg2000
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What are your thoughts on this? I always see conflicting arguments about this.
I think there are a couple of things that are interesting.
1) I think it's interesting that all of a sudden, some of these people care about the poor black residents of Violet.
2) I think it's interesting that there are some strange bedfellows in the opposition. You have the poor black residents of Violet who don't want this in their immediate backyard. You have the wealthy who I think view this as a threat. And you have the white uneducated locals who believe the Port is a City of New Orleans agency and they HATE / distrust anything involving the City of New Orleans.
3) I think it would be real interesting to find out who is bankrolling the opposition effort. Someone earlier said interests in Mobile and Houston may have some thoughts here and I think that's a very salient point.
The reality on the ground is there are a lot of people who are scared of this project. They think it will absolutely lead to the destruction of the parish as we know it. They don't want to discuss options, or discuss potential, or anything like that. They are flat out scared. It doesn't matter why or if they are being dumb... they are scared.
Port NOLA, for their part, has done a pretty pathetic job recognizing this and dealing with it. This is because the port people and their consultants, don't understand how to deal with parish people. It's a different culture down here. It's a culture that is very much powered by rumor and word of mouth. Mailing some glossy flyer isn't going to assuage their fears. These fears are being promoted by the lack of detail information about the project.
Simply put... I think there are a few forces here that don't want the port here for various reasons... and they are using the gossip mill, the fear of all things City of NOLA, and the lack of detail to fan the flames of fear.
Personally? I think it can be a tremendous opportunity for jobs and growth and can lead to a lot of development. A lot of people here work in oil and gas and a lot of plant baws here. A lot of St. Bernard residents have lost their jobs with the Alliance refinery shutting down. Lot of baws here work offshore and work in the plants here.
The reality is oil and gas has peaked here. Not saying I agree with it but that's what it is. These plants aren't going to run forever. We have an opportunity to develop new jobs, clean jobs, a facility that doesn't pollute, etc.
But... some people are going to have to be bought out / relocated. We are going to need a LOT of infrastructure, which means we have to depend on DOTD and the rail companies to do that... neither of which have a good track record.
I believe the project can have tremendous potential for the parish... but if not built/developed properly it can also be a huge problem as well. I think the SOS people have jumped the gun and I don't support their efforts. I also think the Port NOLA people need to start honestly listening and pull their heads out of their backsides. And I think the state needs to step in and provide detail on infrastructure and also deal with this competing proposals mess.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
People in “da parish” are stupid. More news at 6.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:45 pm to geauxtigers87
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i'm in lexington and unless they upgrade the infrastructure frick this port nonsense. and even if they say they're going to do it will it be like the airport insanity where they build it and belatedly start on the actual infrastructure for this? what does this do to property values? too many unknowns and too much good ol boy louisiana bullshite
These to me are all very valid concerns. Which is why there are a lot of questions that need answers.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:46 pm to HotTakes
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Coonasses to their core
Nope. Coonasses are about 100 West of there.
They are Creole or something else.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
The green bridge is getting repainted though. So they got that going for them....which is nice.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:49 pm to fightin tigers
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Port of New Orleans doesn't give a shite about making the roads and access any better.
I've had some very pointed conversations with some of the Port people.
They know the need for infrastructure exists. They also know that if ships are going to call on the new port, they need to have assurances that their cargo is going to be able to move into / out of the facility, so they do have some skin in the game.
They say that the Corps process will help identify exactly what is needed.
They also say (and they are likely correct) that ultimately they have no control over any upgrades that happen outside the port gates.
The new airport terminal / I-10 direct connector is a good analogy. The port is going to have to work hand in hand with DOTD and the railroads here, and let's be honest, we don't have a good track record in this state of various state agencies working well together / working with the railroads.
Having said that... maybe if they can get it together, they can get some of this new federal infrastructure bill money.
There are solutions here - they could build the new roads as toll roads, they could fast track things, etc... but all that requires everyone to work together.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
You hit it on the head that there needs to be more open discussion. Im sure a state or federal level has been involved, but really they need to be coming with the plans, not promises, to do this.
Someone is really dropping the ball on a project that could easily be bought off on. Da Parish doesn't hate all advancement, but they are wary of outsiders promising them the world. A lot of what I have seen is Port Nola just talking down to St Bernard.
Someone is really dropping the ball on a project that could easily be bought off on. Da Parish doesn't hate all advancement, but they are wary of outsiders promising them the world. A lot of what I have seen is Port Nola just talking down to St Bernard.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 5:01 pm to fightin tigers
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You hit it on the head that there needs to be more open discussion. Im sure a state or federal level has been involved, but really they need to be coming with the plans, not promises, to do this
They are basically doing design-build-permit process here. There's nothing inherently wrong with that process... but it is not common in Louisiana to use that process... so people don't understand it / don't trust it.
The corps is going to be the lead permitting agency here because you have levee, river navigation, and wetlands... which are all corps permit issues.
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Someone is really dropping the ball on a project that could easily be bought off on. Da Parish doesn't hate all advancement, but they are wary of outsiders promising them the world.
Lots of chatter locally lately about how MR GO was a port/state project that was going to bring all sort of economic development to St. Bernard, and we see how that turned out. Hell, you still have people pissed off about the levees being blown up in 1927.
People don't forget easily down here.
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A lot of what I have seen is Port Nola just talking down to St Bernard.
BINGO. They are totally losing the communication battle. They say, but we have a website! We opened up a project office in the parish! Come visit us! Read the website!
But people here don't seek out info. They believe what they are told.
The SOS group is doing a lot of telling right now. They are actively bringing the message out. Port NOLA is very passive here, especially when it comes to messaging the public at large. They have been talking with some people and they have staffed up a couple of advisory panels... but right now those panels seem more like one-way info than advisory...
Like I said earlier... a huge trust issue here.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 5:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Like I said earlier... a huge trust issue here.
i'm a transplant down here and i dont trust anything coming out of the port right now. at all. And quite frankly, i don't blame anyone for not trusting them because the parish has been sold out so many times by the same people
Posted on 12/14/21 at 5:06 pm to Marshhen
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Plaquemines Port fixin to eat
That’s what I was thinking. Just build it across the River a flip them the bird
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