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Sports in 4k
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:58 pm
Why isnt every single sporting event on the elite level not broadcasted in 4k. It's been probably 5+ years since its been available on the hardware side. Hell we have 8k TVs and gigabyte data transfers but yet there might be 4 college games at most during the weekend in 4k.
The difference is night and day.
The difference is night and day.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:00 pm to bayouvette
No idea. Fox broadcast is the worst and carries most of the games it seems.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:03 pm to bayouvette
You are absolutely right! I think the 4K cameras used to broadcast in 4K are very expensive. Cheaper to keep using the old cameras. When the networks spend all that money to conferences for broadcast rights, they don’t have a lot leftover for cameras.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:08 pm to bayouvette
Coax cable still drives the market, and most of those companies don’t have the bandwidth to spare. You need something like 8x the bandwidth capacity to broadcast 4k compared to traditional 720p/1080i. Not an issue for online streamers, but cable and satellite companies don’t want to drop multiple channels to carry a single 4k channel.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:09 pm to bayouvette
quote:Because you touch yourself.
Why isnt every single sporting event on the elite level not broadcasted in 4k.
It’s why we can’t have nice things.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:27 pm to bayouvette
Unfortunately, it is coming slowly.
On the Hardware side, increased resolution panels have far exceeded what is broadcast today.
What is holding up things is the roll out of 4k broadcasts, currently in select markets TV stations are adding ATSC 3.0 signals in shared groups because the FCC did not allow TV stations to get a second TV channel to start broadcasting in ATSC 3.0, but mandated that stations continue broadcasting in ATSC 1.0 and pool resources together to start market ATSC 3.0 stations. Some stations may need new antennas, and transmitter parts.
ATSC 3.0 is supposed to increase the bandwidth available for TV stations to broadcast, and allow 4K broadcasts. Right now the current standard only allows 19.4 Mbps of data to be transmitted at one time at a max of 1080i resolution. Unfortunately, TV stations are also to blame because some TV stations are now jaming as many as 6 sub channels in SD in addition to their primary HD signal. So some local TV's have garbage TV signals because of this jamming of their frequencies so they can make a few dollars airing reruns of HeeHaw on channel X.6. Places like New Orleans and Baton Rouge have yet to have any ATSC 3.0 stations start broadcasting.
Another big hurdle is that not many new TVs come equipped with ATSC 3.0 tuners. So you will need an external tuner for ATSC 3.0. Also, there are conflicts between cable TV providers and stations as to which channels will get coverage and who will carry the cost of the equipment to carry ATSC 3.0 stations. It is no secret that Cable systems reencode or recompress TV station signals, so it doesn't impact the amount of channels it carries. TV stations adding 4K will impact a system's available bandwidth for one station.
Licensing is also a small part of this. Not many manufacuters are willing to carry the extra cost of the new tuners, and TV stations are also unwilling to carry the extra cost of encoders and decoders which will use a new codec.
The 4K/ATSC 3.0 rollout reminds me of the way the government and market treated UHF transmissions in the 1950's and 1960's. You have a potentially superior product (Since UHF signals were clearer, but needed more power), but no one wanted to adopt it from the consumer to the producers unless they were forced to adopt it by mandating the tuners and the FCC licensing more and more UHF TV stations since in some areas UHF was the only place to expand the TV dial.
On the Hardware side, increased resolution panels have far exceeded what is broadcast today.
What is holding up things is the roll out of 4k broadcasts, currently in select markets TV stations are adding ATSC 3.0 signals in shared groups because the FCC did not allow TV stations to get a second TV channel to start broadcasting in ATSC 3.0, but mandated that stations continue broadcasting in ATSC 1.0 and pool resources together to start market ATSC 3.0 stations. Some stations may need new antennas, and transmitter parts.
ATSC 3.0 is supposed to increase the bandwidth available for TV stations to broadcast, and allow 4K broadcasts. Right now the current standard only allows 19.4 Mbps of data to be transmitted at one time at a max of 1080i resolution. Unfortunately, TV stations are also to blame because some TV stations are now jaming as many as 6 sub channels in SD in addition to their primary HD signal. So some local TV's have garbage TV signals because of this jamming of their frequencies so they can make a few dollars airing reruns of HeeHaw on channel X.6. Places like New Orleans and Baton Rouge have yet to have any ATSC 3.0 stations start broadcasting.
Another big hurdle is that not many new TVs come equipped with ATSC 3.0 tuners. So you will need an external tuner for ATSC 3.0. Also, there are conflicts between cable TV providers and stations as to which channels will get coverage and who will carry the cost of the equipment to carry ATSC 3.0 stations. It is no secret that Cable systems reencode or recompress TV station signals, so it doesn't impact the amount of channels it carries. TV stations adding 4K will impact a system's available bandwidth for one station.
Licensing is also a small part of this. Not many manufacuters are willing to carry the extra cost of the new tuners, and TV stations are also unwilling to carry the extra cost of encoders and decoders which will use a new codec.
The 4K/ATSC 3.0 rollout reminds me of the way the government and market treated UHF transmissions in the 1950's and 1960's. You have a potentially superior product (Since UHF signals were clearer, but needed more power), but no one wanted to adopt it from the consumer to the producers unless they were forced to adopt it by mandating the tuners and the FCC licensing more and more UHF TV stations since in some areas UHF was the only place to expand the TV dial.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:36 pm to Tarps99
quote:TWSS
it is coming slowly.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 4:51 pm to Cycledude
quote:
I think the 4K cameras used to broadcast in 4K are very expensive
bullshite.
Every YouTuber is filming in 4k out of their parents basement and a billion dollar industry can't find the money?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:30 pm to bayouvette
4K absolutely hammers our data usage. We get unlimited data but everyone trying to stream everything 4k would have to tax the system.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:33 pm to bayouvette
4k is too much for me personally. Hurts my eyes.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:35 pm to Cycledude
quote:
I think the 4K cameras used to broadcast in 4K are very expensive.
They are exceedingly cheap
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:42 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:
4k is too much for me personally. Hurts my eyes.
I'm sorry, what?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:49 pm to LEASTBAY
Sometimes I question whether the fox broadcast is in HD all....
Posted on 9/23/22 at 5:58 pm to Joshjrn
It's too clear and too many frames. It's like watching real life but on a flat earth. My 1080 HD TV has been running strong since my first job after college. I purchased this Samsung in 2008. Ain't got no problems with it either. Damn thing cost a 800 bucks then. It has been one of the most dependable things in my life. I will not switch this wonderful TV to some flat earth 4k sorcery.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:17 pm to bayouvette
We had a friend over (who has a shitty tv and cable service) just watching normal cable with a big flatscreen and she asked us if we could switch it over to where the screen wasn’t so clear. It was making her dizzy. 
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:41 pm to bayouvette
Recession
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:27 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:
It's too clear
quote:
It's like watching real life
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:31 pm to Tarps99
quote:
Unfortunately, it is coming slowly. On the Hardware side, increased resolution panels have far exceeded what is broadcast today. What is holding up things is the roll out of 4k broadcasts, currently in select markets TV stations are adding ATSC 3.0 signals in shared groups because the FCC did not allow TV stations to get a second TV channel to start broadcasting in ATSC 3.0, but mandated that stations continue broadcasting in ATSC 1.0 and pool resources together to start market ATSC 3.0 stations. Some stations may need new antennas, and transmitter parts. ATSC 3.0 is supposed to increase the bandwidth available for TV stations to broadcast, and allow 4K broadcasts. Right now the current standard only allows 19.4 Mbps of data to be transmitted at one time at a max of 1080i resolution. Unfortunately, TV stations are also to blame because some TV stations are now jaming as many as 6 sub channels in SD in addition to their primary HD signal. So some local TV's have garbage TV signals because of this jamming of their frequencies so they can make a few dollars airing reruns of HeeHaw on channel X.6. Places like New Orleans and Baton Rouge have yet to have any ATSC 3.0 stations start broadcasting. Another big hurdle is that not many new TVs come equipped with ATSC 3.0 tuners. So you will need an external tuner for ATSC 3.0. Also, there are conflicts between cable TV providers and stations as to which channels will get coverage and who will carry the cost of the equipment to carry ATSC 3.0 stations. It is no secret that Cable systems reencode or recompress TV station signals, so it doesn't impact the amount of channels it carries. TV stations adding 4K will impact a system's available bandwidth for one station. Licensing is also a small part of this. Not many manufacuters are willing to carry the extra cost of the new tuners, and TV stations are also unwilling to carry the extra cost of encoders and decoders which will use a new codec. The 4K/ATSC 3.0 rollout reminds me of the way the government and market treated UHF transmissions in the 1950's and 1960's. You have a potentially superior product (Since UHF signals were clearer, but needed more power), but no one wanted to adopt it from the consumer to the producers unless they were forced to adopt it by mandating the tuners and the FCC licensing more and more UHF TV stations since in some areas UHF was the only place to expand the TV dial.
Does anyone want to dispute anything this guy said?
Cause I think we can wrap this up
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:42 pm to bayouvette
4K is going to come at a cost. If the users/markets sees they (users) can afford it and the company providing it can make a profit it will start being the norm. I’m guessing right now there is not the revenue out there to support it.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:56 pm to Tarps99
Interesting indeed. For all LA folks something surprising.
Just looked up stations operating ATSC 3.0. Shreveport with 2 stations. Nowhere else in LA. New Orleans is apparently in the "readying" stage of deployment.
ATSC.org Deployments Tracker
TV Tech.com recent update to markets
Just looked up stations operating ATSC 3.0. Shreveport with 2 stations. Nowhere else in LA. New Orleans is apparently in the "readying" stage of deployment.
ATSC.org Deployments Tracker
quote:
As of summer 2022, ATSC 3.0 is available in in 68 markets reaching half of all U.S. homes according to the FCC. The commission also noted that at least one full-power TV station has been licensed to provide ATSC 3.0 services in 54 DMAs.
TV Tech.com recent update to markets
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