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re: Spinoff: engineers vs. PE's

Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by CFDoc
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:58 pm to
I got my doctorate in mechanical engineering.

According to the OT, I am neither a doctor nor an engineer.


ETA - and my father's a dentist.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:59 pm to
You are not a consulting engineer. And if you are, I suggest you stop. You will go to jail, or have all of your money taken away if someone is injured due to you calling yourself an "engineer" and you are not licensed.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:00 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:00 pm to
In my industry a PE won't get you anywhere and I doubt most of the people I deal with even know what it is.

That said, you'll need it to do much of anything before too long. It's going to be like bachelors is now. You'll have to seal emails
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:02 pm to
Technically they're not allowed to.

Nobody pays attention to it though. Like I said earlier, I know people who don't have any college education who have engineer on their business card.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

clients are requiring more deliverables to be sealed that normally weren't in the past.


I think that is true and I'd probably advise younger engineers to go ahead and get their PE. There is a lot more red tape required now than in the past. And it is nothing but bureaucratic silliness. Most of the worst engineers I know have their PE.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:07 pm to
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Technically they're not allowed to.

Nobody pays attention to it though. Like I said earlier, I know people who don't have any college education who have engineer on their business card.



In my experience it's only a select few PEs that actually care about this. There should be a difference between engineer and Professional Engineer
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:12 pm to
You have to think about when things go bad. Property is damaged, or lives are lost. The first thing the prosecutor will ask you is if you are a PE. If not, it would be no different than someone posing as a medical doctor and not being one. You will go to jail.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:16 pm to
It isn't that extreme. Not having a PE doesn't mean you can't do anything without fear of being locked away for life.
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:19 pm to
I am a EE, and unfortunately having a PE is pretty much worthless in most of the areas I have been working in. I have not met an Aerospace with one yet.

It seems like the PE title holds a lot more weight in the CE and ME professions.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:21 pm
Posted by CFDoc
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:20 pm to
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You have to think about when things go bad. Property is damaged, or lives are lost. The first thing the prosecutor will ask you is if you are a PE. If not, it would be no different than someone posing as a medical doctor and not being one. You will go to jail.


PE or not, if you sign off on a defective design and lives are lost due to your negligence, you're probably still going to jail.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:23 pm to
Agree on a defective design.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:37 pm to
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What do people with engineering degrees who aren't PEs say they do when people ask? They aren't allowed to say "I'm an engineer"?

I've been out of school 3.5 years. Taking the PE exam in April. I refer to myself as an engineer intern when asked.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:43 pm to
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You have to think about when things go bad. Property is damaged, or lives are lost. The first thing the prosecutor will ask you is if you are a PE. If not, it would be no different than someone posing as a medical doctor and not being one. You will go to jail.



When did I mention claiming to be a PE or posing as a PE? I'm not even talking about offering engineering services to the public. I'm just talking about what you call yourself when someone asks what you do.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 8:47 pm
Posted by xXLSUXx
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:47 pm to
There are plenty of PE's in the oil and gas industry.......
Posted by TigerBandTuba
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:48 pm to
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I refer to myself as an engineer intern when asked.


This is the only answer to the question I actually asked.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:49 pm to
I say I'm an engineer. It's what my company told me I am.
Posted by TigerBandTuba
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:50 pm to
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I say I'm an engineer. It's what my company told me I am.


Same here
Posted by STBTigerr
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

I am a EE, and unfortunately having a PE is pretty much worthless in most of the areas I have been working in. I have not met an Aerospace with one yet. 

It seems like the PE title holds a lot more weight in the CE and ME professions.


Completely depends on the position. I'm an EE for a major and I've had to stamp Area Class drawings.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:28 pm to
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As a registered PE, I don't really care who calls themselves an engineer. Anyone who is going to pay my salary or consulting fees know the difference.

On that note, the PE designation is not an indicator of excellence - just competence and the motivation to jump through hoops and get licensed.
Right on.

Within the exploration and production side of oil and gas, there is not the premium on the PE license that there is in something like civil, so most folks that get it are doing it strictly out of pride. i know that for both my wife and i, it was a long range goal we set for ourselves that was nice to achieve. There are exceptions such as consultants that verify reserves numbers or individuals certifying well designs in the gulf of mexico.

titles like "mud engineer" don't really bother me, since they're standard titles and and everyone across the industry understands what the expectations are of that individual and position. I have run across multiple individuals in my career that misrepresented their degree in order justify an engineering title, such as listing an environmental sciences degree as environmental engineering. that's pretty annoying, since your degree is really not open to interpretation.

Full disclosure: Bayou Tiger, my wife, and I all worked together at the same company at one point and all took/passed the PE exam at roughly the same time.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 9:33 pm
Posted by Koothrappali
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:32 pm to
I'm a P.E. I took it recently as a Civil. My employer requires it, but I would've taken it anyway. It's a great feeling finding out you passed and I thought it was totally worth the time and effort I put into passing.

On the general topic, I'd say calling yourself an "engineer" during informal conversation with an engineering degree and no P.E. is fine. Some places simply don't require it. If they don't, I can't say I blame that person for not getting it.

Calling yourself an "engineer" with no formal engineering training/schooling is misleading in my opinion. If I'm having a convo with someone and they make that declaration, I'll completely disregard their opinion on engineering issues. There's a chance I may point out that they're not really an engineer. If I'm drunk, there's a more than reasonable chance I'll talk shite. I'm probably going to give them a hard time about something, it might as well be that!
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