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Spinoff- Insurance for motorist that aren't operating a vehicle?
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:24 am
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:24 am
I remember a year or two ago a man got a DUI in my hometown because he was drunk... while riding his horse home. 
You can't make this shite up, and yes, it was Livingston Parish.
Set aside the fact that he wasn't actually on the road and wasn't really "operating" the horse; how does the state reconcile the requirement that an operator carry insurance? Is there liability insurance on a horse? Can you go to Jake from State Farm and get collision coverage on your Clydesdale?
Seems to me like the state really opened a can of worms by giving him a DUI and not just a public disorder charge. If you can give a man on a horse a dui, then certainly you can give someone a dui on a bicycle - and are bicycles required to have insurance???
You can't make this shite up, and yes, it was Livingston Parish. Set aside the fact that he wasn't actually on the road and wasn't really "operating" the horse; how does the state reconcile the requirement that an operator carry insurance? Is there liability insurance on a horse? Can you go to Jake from State Farm and get collision coverage on your Clydesdale?
Seems to me like the state really opened a can of worms by giving him a DUI and not just a public disorder charge. If you can give a man on a horse a dui, then certainly you can give someone a dui on a bicycle - and are bicycles required to have insurance???
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:28 am to SlapahoeTribe
A DUI has nothing to do with insurance until there is an accident resulting in bodily injury or property damage
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:34 am to cas4t
I know, but by issuing him a dui they are saying that he was illegally operating a "vehicle." But on the other hand, the state requires that all "vehicles" have insurance.
I feel like the state is trying to have its cake and eat it too. (Wouldn't be the first time for a government to duck over the citizenship, but I'm curious as to how this could be justified.)
I feel like the state is trying to have its cake and eat it too. (Wouldn't be the first time for a government to duck over the citizenship, but I'm curious as to how this could be justified.)
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:46 am to SlapahoeTribe
I googled and Louisiana law seems to specify "motor vehicle" for a DUI
Just saying
Just saying
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:49 am to cas4t
Well, they most definitely charge the man with a DUI.
Now, I assume that the DA dropped or lowered the charges so as to not have to deal with the ensuing shite storm.
Now, I assume that the DA dropped or lowered the charges so as to not have to deal with the ensuing shite storm.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 2:54 am to SlapahoeTribe
Louisiana man charged with DUI while on horseback.
Also, a quick google search shows that this has happened several times in several states.
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The horse knows the way home.
Also, a quick google search shows that this has happened several times in several states.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 5:04 am to SlapahoeTribe
I believe dwi law applies to operating a motor vehicle or other means of conveyance. Horse is an other means of conveyance.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 6:49 am to SlapahoeTribe
You're reaching quite a bit with this. It was the officer who charged the guy, not the state. You make it sound like the legislature enacted a bill that defines a horse as a motor vehicle and thus requires insurance.
The DUI and Insurance code sections are different. They may have some overlap, but you can't read a definition from one and apply it to the other.
The DUI and Insurance code sections are different. They may have some overlap, but you can't read a definition from one and apply it to the other.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:20 am to Motorboat
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law applies to operating a motor vehicle or other means of conveyance. Horse is an other means of conveyance.
So, just how far can big brother push this? A bicycle is a means of conveyance; what about someone on roller skates on the sidewalk? What if I'm walking home from the bar with those heelies shoes (those with the roller in the heal)? Seems like a slippery slope to me.
Personally I'd much rather have a drunk guy riding his horse, bicycle, or whatever home than getting behind the wheel of a car. But if the penalty is the same as it would be if he's going to peddle his arse home, then what's to stop him from doing so? At least the car has air conditioning.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:23 am to SlapahoeTribe
I could be wrong, but I believe you can be cited for DUI while cutting grass on a riding lawn mower.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:31 am to JakeTheTiger
quote:The officer is an agent of the government. That's all I meant by the use of the term.
It was the officer who charged the guy, not the state
quote:
You make it sound like the legislature enacted a bill that defines a horse as a motor vehicle and thus requires insurance.
I'm looking at it more from the other direction - if the government can penalize me the same for separate actions (driving, horse riding, whathaveyou) then why aren't the requirements of use the same (insurance for example)? I suspect the answer is because if they tried to impose the same requirements then people would raise all kinds of hell and point out just how different those things are... and if they're so different then you shouldn't be penalized as if they were the same. (Of course pointing out just how different they are could also lead to them saying that all non-motor vehicles are prohibited on the roadway, and that would piss off a bunch of cyclists.)
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:34 am to TigerLunatik
quote:A prime example of government overreach.
you can be cited for DUI while cutting grass on a riding lawn mower.
Personally, if you want to get drunker than Cooter Brown and race you're equally drunk buddy while on your personal property, then that's your right. DWI laws should only apply to public roads.
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