re: Spin Off From Sex With Teacher Threads

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If you want to teach Biology, get a Biology degree. If you want to teach Math, get a Math degree.


Disagree here too. Just because you are great at something doesn't mean you can teach it. I had several professors and teachers in school who were clearly very intelligent and knowledgable about their subject matter yet couldn't communicate it worth a shite. There is a certain art-form to teaching that can be taught in college.

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bullshite ... there's nothing about teaching that can be taught in college ... i'm a teacher ... ed degrees are worthless as a measuring stick for anything ... masters and doctorate degrees in education are even more worthless ... every thought about teaching theory/psych/and all the other bs in education classes can be taught in 1 course ...

nothing new, I went to HS in the mid 70's and knew of 4 teachers at my school that were doing students, 3 male teachers and 1 female teacher, and those were just the ones I knew about.

early 80's a female friend married a HS coach(600 miles from my HS) and after a few years(2 or 3) she divorced him when she found out about him and a few students.

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tigerinthebueche

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You're right. I have no ability to think critically. The fact that I generalize is a smear on my ability to do so. This makes perfect fricking sense. Your ad hominem attacks are foolish, and you know it.

It is obviously, obviously, a broad stroke, massive generalization that I am using because I don't know the numbers and I am basing it off my anecdotal experiences. This is an internet forum and I have neither the time nor the inclination to go and find the average SAT/ACT scores of teachers in America, what GPA they graduated from college with, whether they on average studied the actual subject they teach, and a whole host of other information that is relevant to this discussion.

But neither do you. Nor do you pretend to have some actual insight into the subject.

I know and have known many teachers. Most of them, particularly the younger ones, remain in the college mentality far beyond their graduations. They wanted an easy major, so they picked education. They wanted an "easy" job, so they taught elementary school or middle school or high school.

This is all a generalization based off anecdotal information, but, as with everyone else, my experiences in life inform my world view, despite rationally understanding that my experiences are but a small fraction of reality.

Regardless, my point still stands. The average teacher in America, in my experience, is viewed often with contempt. We need only look at the recent teacher strike in Wisconsin and the public backlash that occurred as a result to see this is true. Why? Teachers are often viewed as lazy, stupid, bottom rung people, regardless of whether that is true or not. This needs to change. I think that starts with upping the requirements to be a teacher as well as upping the compensation for teachers. If teachers were to be paid competitively, they would get more competitive candidates. Those people may be able to handle being around high schoolers without wanting to frick them.

Maybe not. Maybe all I was getting at before this thread became a defense of teachers thread (which I find fairly ironic given the nature of this board) is that it sure seems like we are having issues with teachers fricking their students which, in my opinion, necessarily makes them bottom of the barrel types.

But I still think teachers should be held to higher standards and, if they would be, perhaps they would take themselves and their jobs a little more seriously and refrain from sexual contact with their pupils.

All that to say, kindly frick yourself.

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All that to say, kindly frick yourself

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Back at ya! It was fun getting under your skin

Teacher hate rawr

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yes ... from all sides ... 30 yo admins with masters from tier 20 schools who get to review me ... teachers who can't cover the basics and don't really understand, or want to understand, how to teach the fun/interesting stuff (i teach chemistry) ... they can't go on youtube and steal an idea ... looked over the shoulder of a student in class the other day filling out a worksheet on something in history ... looking up the battle of saratoga or something ... filling out 20 other lines with no meaning to them ... etc ... we need to shut down the whole system and just hand out vouchers ...

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Sounds like you had it nice.

30 y/o admins are nothing compared to the 60 year old admins who had no clue about children, no clue about current pedagogy research, and no clue about interacting with teachers. And tier 20 schools? You're in Alabama, right? Is UAB a tier 20? Montevallo? shite, man. Most admins around here are tier 50 at best.

Lots of teachers I worked with said they were in it to be involved with the school community, coach/sponsor, and help kids get ready for college. None of them were interested in subject-knowledge expertise. Why? Because the system doesn't give a shite about subject-knowledge expertise. But good on them for caring about the kids. Looks like 850 of them cared too much.

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looking up the battle of saratoga or something ... filling out 20 other lines with no meaning to them

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There was a teacher (football coach of 23 years) in the room next to mine who gave notes EVERY DAY. He would put notes on an overhead projector (in 2010+) and tell the kids to write down the notes, shut up, and get started on the reading/homework questions for the night. Once every two weeks was study guide day. Again, sit down, shut up, do your work. Then there was a multiple choice test. fricking ludicrous no one can fire him unless he fricks a student or goes off the hinges.

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adavis

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How was the social studies content praxis? I'm taking it in may and nervous as hell. I'm graduating in may with a B.A. in history

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I have a proposal that will get the lower rung out of our schools AND better the education. Get rid of the education degree. Yep.

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Love it.
I have a combined 72 hours of history (BA and MA). I have ZERO hours of education classes. No student teaching. Nothing.

I'm about to finish my first year of public school teaching. There is absolutely no class that I could have taken to prepare me for my first day (or my first year for that matter) of teaching.
Being knowledgeable about the subject, however, has been extremely advantageous.
I've learned more by actually teaching than any education degree could have taught me.

Basic teaching practices, like lesson planning. Also theories from different people like piaget. It's basically there to show the most effective (to them) ways to not only teach, but handle a classroom through appropriate means. It also focuses on getting the student ready for the praxis exams of plt.