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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:43 am to LaLadyinTx
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:43 am to LaLadyinTx
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It is very obvious to me that all these rules these men make up about conception, sex, what's allowed and what's not are just there to attempt to control their congregations and even more so, to continue to exercise control on women.
Exactly! Many of those chucklefricks don’t even fully understand how a woman’s body actually works and yet they want to dictate what a woman does with her body. It’s 100% about control and not about being “pro-life”.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:43 am to low end
quote:It's all intrinsically linked. There's no way around it.
The thought that organized religion or it's values belong anywhere near politics.
Politics is nothing but an effort to allow all citizens of a certain domain to live a good life, as the greeks explained it.
Well, what is "good"?
That's immediately a religious question whether you like it or not.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:44 am to StrongOffer
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That's very different than saying religious views should not be considered when making laws.
"religious" views should NOT be considered when making laws... you missed that part where Jefferson says the government should be about action, not opinion...
morality CAN be discerned without applying a religious dogma to it, you do realize that right? i don't have to be a bible toting Christian to know it's not okay to kill, rob, steal, etc
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:45 am to bayoubengals88
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That's immediately a religious question whether you like it or not.
Only if you think the only way to be good or moral is to follow a religion.
It's a shame some people only have a sense of morality because a book tells them to.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:47 am to low end
quote:This, and I dont give a shite what someone as filthy as me says in regard to my relationship with God. That goes for Baptists, Catholics, or Pentecostals.....I am Southern Baptist. I am the parent to three kids, two by IVF. If we wanna compare sins, we can....but that is not my role, nor theirs. God never specified that some were more pure, or in a position to judge or mandate, than the rest of us.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God,
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:48 am to bayoubengals88
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That's immediately a religious question whether you like it or not.
no, it's really not...
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:50 am to tigerfoot
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.I am Southern Baptist. I am the parent to three kids, two by IVF.
sinner...
i'm kidding, of course...
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God never specified that some were more pure, or in a position to judge or mandate
apparently, a lot of your brethren didn't get that memo, as evidenced by the new SBC decree and some of the comments even in this thread
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:50 am to low end
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Only if you think the only way to be good or moral is to follow a religion.
This is where i think there is a disconnect. Just because someone is not religious or may even be an atheist does not mean that they have no morals, ethics and live in world of complete sin. Being moral and ethical is not mutually exclusive to religion. I think that gets lost on alot of people.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:51 am to low end
quote:There's these things called categories. Where does "good" belong? It's not scientific. Science doesn't speak to what we should do or ought to do.
Only if you think the only way to be good or moral is to follow a religion.
Those are religious categories. What else could we call them?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am to chRxis
quote:Ok, how would you categorize the act of distinguishing between good or bad?
no, it's really not...
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am to DeafJam73
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The ones who believe so deeply likely don’t, but in the context of voting on the legality of IVF, you can’t expect devout Christians to leave their beliefs at the door and vote in favor of its legality. Citing separation of church and state can’t realistically apply. People are going to vote with their conscience.
I don't expect them to leave their beliefs at the door. I expect our government to not propose bills that impose religious beliefs on believers and non-believers alike.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am to bayoubengals88
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What else could we call them?
logic and reason
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:53 am to bayoubengals88
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Ok, how would you categorize the act of distinguishing between good or bad?
again, logic and reason....
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:53 am to DeafJam73
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The ones who believe so deeply likely don’t, but in the context of voting on the legality of IVF, you can’t expect devout Christians to leave their beliefs at the door and vote in favor of its legality. Citing separation of church and state can’t realistically apply. People are going to vote with their conscience.
that's where the Supreme Court is supposed to step in
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:53 am to bayoubengals88
quote:Two of the best people I know on this planet are deniers of God. Being moral or being good is not linked or exclusive to Christians.
Well, what is "good"?
That's immediately a religious question whether you like it or not.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:54 am to bayoubengals88
You think the concept of "good" is inherently religious? 
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:54 am to lsunurse
quote:The majority of Americans who consider themselves pro-life are women. I guess they just don't understand their own bodies, right?
Many of those chucklefricks don’t even fully understand how a woman’s body actually works and yet they want to dictate what a woman does with her body. It’s 100% about control and not about being “pro-life”.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:55 am to low end
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I don't expect them to leave their beliefs at the door. I expect our government to not propose bills that impose religious beliefs on believers and non-believers alike.
That is inevitable. The government is run by people. Some are religious, some are not. Unless we outlaw organized religion and destroy it entirely, it will always be a part of the political process, for better or worse.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:56 am to low end
quote:There is an objective source of morality. What is it then?
ou think the concept of "good" is inherently religious?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:56 am to tigerfoot
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Being moral or being good is not linked or exclusive to Christians.
.. or Muslim, or Jewish, or Hindu, etc...
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