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re: So Lee Harvey Oswald arose from anonymity to
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:25 am to baybeefeetz
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:25 am to baybeefeetz
He didn't rise from anonymity. The FBI had a file on him and they knew of all of his pro-Communist activities. Hell, they were pretty sure he tried to assassinate someone else a few days before JFK, which they were able to confirm after they apprehended him. Forget the guy's name - an ex-Army general or something.
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:26 am to ExtraGravy
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Lastly if you've seen Oliver Stone's JFK- I think that is one of the best movies I have ever seen. But you shouldn't confuse it with fact, as Stone sometimes tries to do in interviews. What also makes me laugh is how Stone and many people in the media try to paint Oswald as a tool of "right wingers" and somehow the murder of Kennedy was a "right wing" attempt to tamp down a peaceful liberal. Oswald was a committed Communist and hated the right wing.
You are so on point with this.
I love the movie JFK, as a fictional movie. But it is so full of falsehoods that it does an utter disservice to uncovering the truth of the JFK Assassination. I would venture to say, that for those folks aged 30 to 90, that movie is 35% responsible for the extreme belief in a conspiracy.
And your point on the Left using the Oswald and the supposed "right-wing hatred climate in Dallas" that month as causing Kennedy's murder is extremely insightful.
I sadly chuckle at my fellow conservatives who believe in a conspiracy... because the conspiracy is a tool of the Left to deflect the fact that one of their own, an extreme Leftist committed the crime.
It serves a much more useful purpose for the Left-leaning media to frame Kennedy as some anti-war, civil rights, free shite for everybody Democrat who was gunned down by those hateful Republicans.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:30 am to Draconian Sanctions
go read Dr Mary's Monkey until then just shut the fukc up
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:30 am to Darth_Vader
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He was the most highly skilled marksmen in the history of mankind, capable of landing multiple shots on a moving target with a bolt action rifle not known for being that accurate to begin with, a feat that not even the best snipers in the world, including Carlos Hathcock himself, have successfully duplicated under the same circumstances despite multiple attempts.
Not even a remotely true statement.
Shots have been duplicated numerous times. You are posting lies here.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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In 56 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.
Like I said go read Dr Mary's Monkey
The book does not set out to solve the murder, it simply details what Lee Harvey Oswald just happened to be doing in New Orleans before he was sent to Dallas
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:34 am to ccomeaux
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Oswald was a stooge used by the CIA and taken out by the CIA in a mob style clean up
If you knew anything about Ruby's timeline that day, you'd re-think this.
Jack Ruby's timeline
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:36 am to JPinLondon
Honestly, Robert Kennedy's assassination has a much more plausible conspiracy theory behind it than JFK's does.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:36 am to Darth_Vader
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He was the most highly skilled marksmen in the history of mankind, capable of landing multiple shots on a moving target with a bolt action rifle not known for being that accurate to begin with, a feat that not even the best snipers in the world, including Carlos Hathcock himself, have successfully duplicated under the same circumstances despite multiple attempts.
That's not true at all. You are taking the movie JFK and presuming it's a documentary. Which it isn't.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:37 am to The Spleen
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Robert Kennedy's assassination has a much more plausible conspiracy theory behind it than JFK's does.
But again, once you know the details, it isn't a conspiracy either.
Did you listen the podcast on the "conspiracy" behind it? Very interesting.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:39 am to BugAC
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But again, once you know the details, it isn't a conspiracy either.
I didn't say I believed it, just that it is far more compelling than the JFK ones are.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:46 am to ellishughtiger
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LBJ knew who killed JFK
I don't think he knew who pulled the trigger, but he definitely knew what was going on. He and his wife profited greatly from JFK being out of the way.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:51 am to USMCTIGER1970
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LBJ knew who killed JFK
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I don't think he knew who pulled the trigger, but he definitely knew what was going on. He and his wife profited greatly from JFK being out of the way.
Of all the laughable conspiracy theories, I think the LBJ ones are the ones that most resemble the concept of "lets throw something at the wall and see what sticks."
LBJ was a crooked sumbitch, no doubt. But the whole "I don't know who did it but I know LBJ was involved or knew" is really the most baseless of all claims.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:06 am to Darth_Vader
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He was the most highly skilled marksmen in the history of mankind, capable of landing multiple shots on a moving target with a bolt action rifle not known for being that accurate to begin with, a feat that not even the best snipers in the world,
There are Baton Rouge connections that served in the Marine Corps boot camp with LHO that suggest he was too clumsy with a weapon (he was dismissed from the Corps for accidental discharge of a weapon) and a terrible shot to have ever been the shooter. Word is LHO briefly dated the sister of that same connection.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:07 am to seeinspots
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There are Baton Rouge connections that served in the Marine Corps boot camp with LHO that suggest he was too clumsy with a weapon (he was dismissed from the Corps for accidental discharge of a weapon) and a terrible shot to have ever been the shooter. Word is LHO briefly dated the sister of that same connection.
well there's some iron clad proof if I've ever seen any
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:17 am to seeinspots
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in the Marine Corps boot camp with LHO that suggest he was too clumsy with a weapon (he was dismissed from the Corps for accidental discharge of a weapon) and a terrible shot to have ever been the shooter.
The "near impossibility of the shots from the TSBD" is another lie that the conspiracy theorists must have you believe, for structure.
The distance was not all that difficult.
The downward aim was in no way a significant challenge.
The timing of the three shots, while a slight challenge to some extent, were IN NO WAY some impossible feat to accomplish.
They also will lie and tell you Oswald was not a good shot. In fact, he was listed as a Marine Corps Marksman.
What is a "marksman"? Well, if my memory is correct, it means that at 200 yards, you can shoot within a one-foot diameter target, 8 out of 10 shots.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 56 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.
#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
It is as ludicrous to claim that Oswald acted alone as it is to say it was a broad conspiracy.
My money is on some rogue folks in the CIA using or working with some folks in the Mafia to complete the act. Too many folks involved on the edges had connections to organized crime for them to have had zero involvement.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:24 am to Da #1 Stunna
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Carlos Marcello with the help of Santo Trafficante pulled off the Oswald/Ruby portion of the assassination.
Watched a doc on Jimmy Hoffa yesterday to get geared up for "The Irishman". The Hoffa experts, familiar with the mafia due to the Hoffa ties, said that they also believed in this explanation.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:51 am to Anaximander
I watched a documentary on a guy I believe is a crime.scene reconstructionist. High profile one. His theory due to multiple.people stating they smelled gunpowder at street level and the shot that struck the head of JFK was that the head shot came from the vehicle behind JFK from a secret service agents 223 m16. Not LHO 6.5 carcano. However he does state that shots were fired from the book depository and the trajectory is correct for all except that one shot.
I believe he actually comes to the conclusion that in the panic from the shots that the agent stood up with the m16 in hand and the driver gases the vehicle causing the agent to lose his balance. While falling he squeezed the trigger and that's the one that struck JFK in the head. There were x Ray's showing small fragments of bullet in his head that were not consistent with the other bullets recovered from the 6.5 carcano. As in there were 2 completely different calibers and round used. Ie fmj vs HP
I believe he actually comes to the conclusion that in the panic from the shots that the agent stood up with the m16 in hand and the driver gases the vehicle causing the agent to lose his balance. While falling he squeezed the trigger and that's the one that struck JFK in the head. There were x Ray's showing small fragments of bullet in his head that were not consistent with the other bullets recovered from the 6.5 carcano. As in there were 2 completely different calibers and round used. Ie fmj vs HP
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:59 am to baybeefeetz
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But that doesn’t explain why Oswald denied it. It was a political murder. Why not own it?
Why would someone who commits something so disruptive as a political murder want to do the government such a favor?
Is it not possible that he wanted to be even more disruptive by not admitting to it- by causing others to speculate alternative theories about the scope of involvement?
Posted on 11/27/19 at 10:02 am to Lucky_Stryke
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m16
not saying they couldn't have had prototypes but that didn't go into production until 64?
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