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re: Simple Question concerning altruism

Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:17 pm to
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Does a person who jumps in a lake or the ocean to save a drowning kid that is not their own or runs into a burning house think about any of those things in the moment?

Of course not.

And to the other poster's point, if you die you get to feel exactly none of those things.
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:18 pm to
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I once once volunteered to undergo a compatibility test for a bone marrow transplant for the young daughter of a fellow pilot at work, didn't know him or his kid, I was just young, single, healthy, and wanted to help


Some folks will tell you you weren't truly being altruistic, you were playing the long game knowing down the road you'd have an opportunity to get some e-credit on TD by telling us about it.


It's one of those philosophical black holes that probably won't ever be answered definitively. Sort of like freedom of will. We feel like it exists, but we lack the tools to measure and prove it empirically, one way or the other. In the bone marrow example, I think that's a pretty strong altruistic act but that doesn't mean that no element of self-interest exists in it.

Another point I wonder about is how much awareness plays into the formula of "was it altruism or not". If you aren't ever consciously aware of the possible benefit to yourself in performing some act of altruism, does that make it more altruistic? I don't know... I'm not high enough for this right now, maybe.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85366 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:20 pm to
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?


Of course

Have you never genuinely done something for someone and NOT expect something in return?

Just because you do receive something in return, does not negate the fact that you initially did the act without any thoughts towards the reward
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:27 pm to
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The dead experience none of this. The question remains unanswered.


This. Great point


Just to play devil's advocate...

Rather than jumping on a grenade, what if we change the example to Kamikaze pilots flying their planes into enemy crafts? Granted, some of them were coerced, but some of them seemed to genuinely believe that it was an extremely honorable act.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13765 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:36 pm to
Most actually are not altruist acts.

Do Gooders hurt more than help
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88262 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:46 pm to
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you were playing the long game knowing down the road you'd have an opportunity to get some e-credit on TD by telling us about it.



yep, been waiting almost 35 years to share this
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:58 pm to
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yep, been waiting almost 35 years to share this
The payoff has to be feel really good though.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88262 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:59 pm to
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The payoff has to be feel really good though.



really does, almost ecstatic
Posted by MudBugLover
Denver, Colorado
Member since Jul 2021
23 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 3:58 pm to
this headline is an oxymoron. nothing simple about altruism. to truly know another's intentions is impossible. it's rare enough to be honest about your own intentions.
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 4:21 pm to
True. Or to even be aware of them.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:04 pm to
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Is it really even possible to do something and it be genuinely altruistic?
Easily no. Only God could.

We aren’t capable. Our soul curves inward always. Even if just a little bit.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:27 am to
This is a Reddit link but posted on the OT.

Do people really think this guy's first thought acting that quickly was the benefit he would receive by jumping in to help here while this girl was attacked by a huge alligator?

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