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re: Shreveport road rage leads to shooting in grocery store parking lot.*Updated-No charges
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:17 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:17 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Give me a scenario where it’s ok. Because this one isn’t one.
Glad you know all the facts of the case and have all of the evidence, you should probably give the SPD and Caddo DA a call.
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:18 pm to Clames
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Retard, being armed doesn't matter if you are attacking someone physically. If you started swinging at me in the streets somewhere, I could justifiably shoot you in self-defense as long as I wasn't the initial aggressor.
You are such a dumass. Why don’t you link the law to that since yiu know so much. You really embarrassing yourself here.
Yiu can not use lethal force b/c someone takes a swing at you dumass. You should really go back to school.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:20 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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That didn’t happen here. Banging on the window imploring the guy to get out is not breaching or attempting to breach the vehicle.
How the frick do you know the exact details of what happened here? I sure as hell don't see anything about what the guy was stating or his intentions when confronting the other driver. You are just pulling dumb shite out of your arse, everything is speculation until more details are released.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:21 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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You can’t shoot an unarmed man standing outside your vehicle.
Can you link me to where it said he was unarmed? Since we are all guessing aboot him being armed or not, I guess he got back into his vehicle, gave his gun to the old lady, had her take the bus home, then went in and said "I'm a victim".
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:22 pm to Strannix
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Glad you know all the facts of the case and have all of the evidence, you should probably give the SPD and Caddo DA a call.
We are on a message board discussing a situation based on an article that has facts. So the opinions are assuming the article is correct. Are we not allowed to do that?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:23 pm to Ghost of Colby
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The shooter was arrested.
Why? Baw was confronted. Dude had no reason to be at his window
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:23 pm to Clames
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Retard, being armed doesn't matter if you are attacking someone physically. If you started swinging at me in the streets somewhere, I could justifiably shoot you in self-defense as long as I wasn't the initial aggressor.
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Explain this. Guess homeboy got arrested for nothing right?
Like I said, go get an education and then come back and talk when u know a little bit.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:24 pm to Townedrunkard
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You are such a dumass. Why don’t you link the law to that since yiu know so much. You really embarrassing yourself here.
You are mispelling simple words and calling anyone a dumbass...
Louisiana SYG law.
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Circumstances in which use of force or violence can be used are outline in LA R.S. 14:19. LA R.S. 14:20, also known as the “Stand Your Ground” law, outlines the circumstances in which homicide can be found justifiable. One must understand that the use of deadly force in self-defense can be legal or illegal, depending on the circumstances and the details of the incident.
Louisiana law allows a person to use reasonable or defensive force against an aggressor as protection from bodily harm or death. Self-defense can be used in protection for themselves or a family member.
Says absolutely nothing that the agressor has to be armed. Belief in the threat of receiving bodily harm is the standard here.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:25 pm to Clames
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How the frick do you know the exact details of what happened here?
I’m going off what the article stated. It said banging on his window imploring him to get out. So my opinion on the matter is based on that. Y’all are telling me I don’t know the facts, but you are the one making shite up by saying he was trying to break the window. The article said no such thing, you did.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:26 pm to Townedrunkard
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Explain this. Guess homeboy got arrested for nothing right?
What is there to explain? Was self-defense claimed in this incident? Does it have any relation whatsoever to what happened in the OP? Did you pass middle school?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:29 pm to Clames
The exact circumstance happened that you said was ok and the guy was arrested for murder. It was on video, guy was going to take a swing and was shot. So why was he arrested for murder? You just said you can shoot someone for fighting you. Those were yiur words.
The guy knocked on his window. So if me and my neighbor have a disagreement earlier in the day and he comes by and knocks on my front door unarmed I can shoot him? Just have to claim I was scared right?
Yiu have to be sped.
The guy knocked on his window. So if me and my neighbor have a disagreement earlier in the day and he comes by and knocks on my front door unarmed I can shoot him? Just have to claim I was scared right?
Yiu have to be sped.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:35 pm to Townedrunkard
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The exact circumstance happened that you said was ok and the guy was arrested for murder. It was on video, guy was going to take a swing and he shot him.
No, that circumstance was not the same because the guy arrested was the initial aggressor. You see, little moron, the laws of self-defense in Louisiana, especially SYG, are specific. You can't start a fight, then shoot someone and claim self-defense because they started punching you back.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:37 pm to Clames
Louisiana Revised Statute 14:20
§20. Justifiable homicide
A. A homicide is justifiable:
(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.
(2) When committed for the purpose of preventing a violent or forcible felony involving danger to life or of great bodily harm by one who reasonably believes that such an offense is about to be committed and that such action is necessary for its prevention. The circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.
(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.
(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.
B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle when the conflict began, if both of the following occur:
(1) The person against whom deadly force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(2) The person who used deadly force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.
C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using deadly force as provided for in this Section, and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.
D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used deadly force had a reasonable belief that deadly force was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a violent or forcible felony involving life or great bodily harm or to prevent the unlawful entry.
§20. Justifiable homicide
A. A homicide is justifiable:
(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.
(2) When committed for the purpose of preventing a violent or forcible felony involving danger to life or of great bodily harm by one who reasonably believes that such an offense is about to be committed and that such action is necessary for its prevention. The circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.
(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.
(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.
B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle when the conflict began, if both of the following occur:
(1) The person against whom deadly force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
(2) The person who used deadly force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.
C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using deadly force as provided for in this Section, and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.
D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used deadly force had a reasonable belief that deadly force was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a violent or forcible felony involving life or great bodily harm or to prevent the unlawful entry.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:37 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Lol wrong. You can’t shoot an unarmed man standing outside your vehicle. This dude is going to jail.
I witnessed a guy shoot an unarmed man in Orange Beach one year and he never went to jail. Guy got out of his car and approached another car and actually started to reach into the car to hit the driver. Driver shot him dead. Jury trial not guilty.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:38 pm to Clames
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No, that circumstance was not the same because the guy arrested was the initial aggressor. You see, little moron, the laws of self-defense in Louisiana, especially SYG, are specific. You can't start a fight, then shoot someone and claim self-defense because they started punching you back.
Really yiu are a fricking retard. Are you really this stupid? The video showed two guys talking and hollering, the white guy goes to take a swing and the guy pulls out the gun and shoots him. Then he was arrested. The guy that was shot was the aggressor.
I guess you know more than the cops and the law because both people were arrested in theses two cases.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:40 pm to Townedrunkard
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The guy knocked on his window
So you believe a guy with road rage stopped to "knock on his window"?
Lol dumb. The guy will get off with self defense if he believes he was in danger and the guy was hitting his window hard enough that he believed the aggressor was attempting entry.
Any lawyer will get this dropped
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:41 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Lol wrong. You can’t shoot an unarmed man standing outside your vehicle. This dude is going to jail.
No... you're 100% wrong. The guy will walk.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:41 pm to highcotton2
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Jury trial not guilty
Jury’s don’t always follow the law. You said this guy reached in the car, lot different from tapping on the window.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:45 pm to Townedrunkard
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Really yiu are a fricking retard.
Why the hell can't you spell simple words correctly?
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The video showed two guys talking and hollering, the white guy goes to take a swing and the guy pulls out the gun and shoots him. Then he was arrested.
Turns out your boy was a felon in possesion. That makes him ineligible to use a gun in self-defense because felons can't legally possess a firearm...
You are one stupid MF'r. quote:
A man accused of murdering another man in the French Quarter in January has been indicted.
The Orleans Parish District Attorney said James Patton was indicted for the second-degree murder with a firearm of Russell Ricou.
Patton was also charged with obstruction of justice in a homicide investigation and being a felon in possession of a firearm, according to Williams.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:46 pm to terd ferguson
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So you believe a guy with road rage stopped to "knock on his window"? Lol dumb. The guy will get off with self defense if he believes he was in danger and the guy was hitting his window hard enough that he believed the aggressor was attempting entry. Any lawyer will get this dropped
So like I said earlier, same circumstances happen with my neighbor, he comes knock on my door later, I don’t know his intentions, I can shoot him dead on my porch right? Even though he’s unarmed.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:47 pm
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