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re: Shocking News: The data used to initiate lockdowns was bogus
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:21 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:21 am to TIGERSandFROGS
quote:Every day states are removing duplicates/errors, sometimes by the hundreds. Many states like Florida and New York and Ohio and California have had critical, major errors in reporting. The CDC has revised the totals numerous times. The 190k total regurgitated and used as some sort of count down clock on news stations isn’t legit.
You’re grasping at straws to try to show that data that you don’t like is incorrect
The CDC currently has a count of 174k deaths WITH covid. That term is critical. Put it this way, the CDC has total deaths WITH either Covid, Flu, or Pneumonia at 281k. This means that the CDC has counted about 107k deaths WITH Flu and/or Pneumonia with no presence of Covid at all. That doesn’t really stack up to previous years because we’ve never counted deaths like this ever before.
ETA: That’s 107k Pneumonia/Flu related deaths so far this year. We still have 3 major months coming up which will likely put that number over 150k. Why aren’t people losing their shite over this number? Why wasn’t it reported like this in previous years? The “WITH” identifier is crucial to the fear mongering taking place.
For example, my grandfather died in 2016 after complications from a bypass surgery. While in hospice, he contracted pneumonia and died not long after. Did the pneumonia shorten his life? Maybe by a couple days at most. So what was the cause of death? Back then the DC didn’t mention pneumonia at all. But if it was covid, it would. That’s anecdotal, but it’s a fair example of how things are treated differently in regards to Covid.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:45 am to ell_13
quote:What we really need is a total deaths in the USA by year as a % of population to see if there is any meaningful statistical correlation between Covid and overall deaths.
. That doesn’t really stack up to previous years because we’ve never counted deaths like this ever before.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:56 am to ell_13
These means come the mid-November the left will be back to hating on plastic straws.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:56 am to Crow Pie
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What we really need is a total deaths in the USA by year as a % of population to see if there is any meaningful statistical correlation between Covid and overall deaths.
Depending on how the numbers come out that won't satisfy the folks that think this is all bogus because in their minds the numbers are being fabricated.
If the numbers are bad now, the numbers later will be as well (in some minds).
ETA: Of course if the total deaths are down from last year the numbers and statisticians that do the math will have sudden credibility again.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/8/20 at 10:00 am to Crow Pie
There has no doubt been an increase. I don’t buy into covid being a “hoax.” What is apparent is that the reaction to it was overkill from the start with most mitigation efforts being pointless in terms of total loss of life. Basically, the majority if not all of these people would have died of covid eventually. Exposure was and will happen eventually. We should have taken steps to prevent exposure as best as possible for the most vulnerable (elderly) and moved on. Period. There was no reason to shutdown and lockdown. And we knew that in March based on plenty of available data and closed systems like the cruise ships.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 10:16 am to TIGERSandFROGS
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You’re grasping at straws to try to show that data that you don’t like is incorrect, and yet again you are someone who doesn’t have the knowledge base to know what the data you’re looking at means. I suggest asking the university of Facebook for your tuition back.
Look, man, I'm not one of the folks screaming about the "only 6%" thing because I can read data and know it's an incorrect claim.
You know dick about who I am or what my qualifications are, and it's been clear from the get go that many MDs know frick all about data or statistics. So, maybe take up some of the data issues with your colleagues first before accusing me of being some imbecile. (I assume you're a MD because you said you wrote out death certificates. Just because you're an MD doesn't mean you're a scientist (not necessarily directed at you, just in general).)
However, whenever you have one state that has been caught at least 3 times (Florida) counting people as CoviD deaths when they likely aren't CoviD deaths, there's likely something there.
Florida has counted a 19-year old that died in a motorcycle accident, a man that was a roofer who was stuck by lightning and then fell off the roof, and an elderly person who also had a fall injury as "CoviD" deaths because they tested positive. How many of the "young" deaths, used to drum up fear, would fall into this category?
I believe Arizona is counting anyone that dies within 60 days of a positive test as a CoviD death. (Not sure if that's statewide or not, and supposedly those deaths are eventually looked over/confirmed. But that's a great way to keep a high death count going over time.)
Does that sound like good data to you?
Posted on 9/8/20 at 10:23 am to Crow Pie
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What we really need is a total deaths in the USA by year as a % of population to see if there is any meaningful statistical correlation between Covid and overall deaths.
That’s been done and all cause deaths are outpacing the average by 250,000 as of the end of July, so by that it seems to show deaths are underestimated.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 10:28 am to TIGERSandFROGS
quote:Link?
all cause deaths are outpacing the average by 250,000
According to the CDC. We are at 109% of “expected” deaths for this year at 1,881,000. That puts excess deaths estimated at 155k. You’re off by 100k.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:21 am to ell_13
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Link?
According to the CDC. We are at 109% of “expected” deaths for this year at 1,881,000. That puts excess deaths estimated at 155k. You’re off by 100k.
205,000*. Transposed a couple of digits. Though since I last looked it’s up to 215,000.
I got the information from GitHub which publishes their methods here:
LINK
And the economist publishes the GitHub data in an easily digestible form here:
LINK
Peer reviewed data on this topic following the statistics through May:
LINK
Posted on 9/8/20 at 11:31 am to Crow Pie
Cant wait for this hysteria to end where we can get back to sky screaming about climate change or trannies.
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