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re: Sensational Article- Cop brutally beats African American teen riding her bike
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Let's take this instance in the op as an example. Do we know if the mall has had problems with cars being broken into? Vandalism? Etc.
i think when it's cut and dry the cop is violating people's rights they should lose their badge. Unions protect them too much.
i think when it's cut and dry the cop is violating people's rights they should lose their badge. Unions protect them too much.
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do some objective reading, without an emotional attachment, and you'll come around.
Pretty simple. Think for yourself. To assume that law enforcement is broken because a mall cop arrests a kid on a bike is just a shortcut to thinking.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:43 am to chongo
quote:so security for an establishment cannot legally detain someone before the police arrive?
If a cop is acting w/I his legal authority I certainly would allow him to question me. Under Terry, all a cop needs is reasonable suspicion to conduct a stop and frisk.
However, this was Mall Security. Mall Security cannot conduct stops under Terry. They have the authority of a regular citizen.
Some contituional issues arrise re: off-duty actions by law enforcement. Since this guy was getting paid buy the mall, any guise of acting under the color-of-law doctrine wouldn't likely hold.
Hence, the charges getting tossed. The Cop wasn't a Cop (for legal purposes) during the encounter with the girl.
Ask yourself, should privately contracted business security be able to conduct itself in the way the mall security did did. Ask yourself how you would act with a bouncer at a bar. Same type of deal. You should always be able to leave.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:43 am to Topwater Trout
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Cop pulls you over for nothing and is being a total a-hole and you think that is a good time to assert my rights? You think that knowing the potential consequences is not something an individual should weigh when dealing with cops? Keep in mind you are already being detained/stopped by an aggressive a-hole and have no idea what is going through his head...and he is armed. Yeh I will comply and try to do everything in my judgement to get him off my back and not be hemmed up even longer than I have to.
People should absolutely be aware of what can happen to them. That mentality creates big and predictable problems, though. The bigger picture I am painting here is that the "comply or die " mentality is not doing anyone any favors, not the cops whose morale continues to decline, not the image of the shield that continues to get tarnished, and not the populace who feels like they live in occupied territory.
I don't find it terribly surprising that there's a growing disconnect between LEO and the people they too often "serve". How many rights can you violate before people get fed up?
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:44 am to dsides
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Pretty simple. Think for yourself. To assume that law enforcement is broken because a mall cop arrests a kid on a bike is just a shortcut to thinking.
pretty sure Roger is just using this one encounter as an example and not basing his entire belief off of it
you really are uttering pure nonsense in this thread
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:45 am to meauxjeaux2
They can but they must have reasonable suspicion. Riding through a parking lot is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. Get on West Law and read the opinion.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:45 am to meauxjeaux2
This is the kind of stuff that really pisses me off. This kid needs to be sent to a reeducation type class. Just ridiculous the stuff these kids think they can get away with these days.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:45 am to dsides
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Pretty simple. Think for yourself. To assume that law enforcement is broken because a mall cop arrests a kid on a bike is just a shortcut to thinking.
No. Millions of rational people were convinced long before this occurred.
Why do you think people like Rand Paul are wanting criminal justice reform?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:46 am to ihometiger
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. Just ridiculous the stuff these kids think they can get away with these days.
jesus christ
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:47 am to Salmon
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. Just ridiculous the stuff these kids think they can get away with these days.
jesus christ
No shite. We got away with 10x as much when I was a kid because there was a belief that kids will be kids and do stupid things.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:50 am to chongo
quote:i don't know if this was the reason for the stop. Seriously, people keep saying this and have no idea. I don't and neither do you but people keep saying this to try to sway the argument in their favor.
Riding through a parking lot is not
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No. Millions of rational people were convinced long before this occurred.
Why do you think people like Rand Paul are wanting criminal justice reform?
Because he's pandering to dipshits like you
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:52 am to meauxjeaux2
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i don't know if this was the reason for the stop. Seriously, people keep saying this and have no idea. I don't and neither do you but people keep saying this to try to sway the argument in their favor
Decades ago we hung out in vacant fields, blared music, drank beer and some smoked the hippy lettuce. Cops came, we ran and the cops left it alone because it was kids being kids.
If you didn't run, they poured the beer out or took the pot away. No one would get arrested or tossed around like a rag doll.
What the hell happened over the past few decades?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Decades ago we hung out in vacant fields, blared music, drank beer and some smoked the hippy lettuce. Cops came, we ran and the cops left it alone because it was kids being kids.
If you didn't run, they poured the beer out or took the pot away. No one would get arrested or tossed around like a rag doll.
What the hell happened over the past few decades?
Don't try to bring Dazed and Confused up in here!
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:56 am to dsides
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No. Millions of rational people were convinced long before this occurred.
Why do you think people like Rand Paul are wanting criminal justice reform?
Because he's pandering to dipshits like you
I see. So in your opinion, there needs to be no CJ reform.
Interesting. I never took you for a BigGov progressive.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:00 pm to dsides
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Think for yourself. To assume that law enforcement is broken because a mall cop arrests a kid on a bike
Did you hear this in your head before you typed it?
A mall security person chases a child on a bicycle in a SUV - assaults and tasers them and you are okay with it?
The child did not steal anything from the mall - did not even go in the mall . Didn't commit any crime for that matter.
You think the actions of the mall security person was reasonable?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:the internet and overall bad parenting.
What the hell happened over the past few decades?
You can see it in schools and you can see it on the streets. Not the same world anymore bro. I know, i grew up in the same era as you did.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:02 pm to meauxjeaux2
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the internet and overall bad parenting.
You can see it in schools and you can see it on the streets. Not the same world anymore bro. I know, i grew up in the same era as you did.
The War on Drugs and proactive policing.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:02 pm to Tiger Ree
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Did you hear this in your head before you typed it?
A mall security person chases a child on a bicycle in a SUV - assaults and tasers them and you are okay with it?
The child did not steal anything from the mall - did not even go in the mall . Didn't commit any crime for that matter.
You think the actions of the mall security person was reasonable?
Did you think before you typed? I've never justified this situation just think it's a joke to call out all of law enforcement because of the actions of mall security in this video. Try to keep up
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
the war on drugs has been here for a long arse time.
proactive about what?
quote:
proactive policing.
proactive about what?
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