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re: Scientist says ADHD is Bullsh*t

Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:52 pm to
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Not to mention what adderall and vyvanse do to someone's blood pressure or heart rate. Sounds totally safe.
I've been on ADD meds since the early 90s. My BP at my last checkup was 115/70 heart rate 63bpm. That was after drinking a 12oz cup of coffee about 20 minutes earlier
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:55 pm to
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I've been on ADD meds since the early 90s. My BP at my last checkup was 115/70 heart rate 63bpm. That was after drinking a 12oz cup of coffee about 20 minutes earlier


You have to understand- you're responding to a poster who basically, from what I can gather, thinks that if you get a stomach ache from the med, you would've been better off with the disease.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:57 pm to
My other daily meds are much, much worse for me than 10mg of Adderall once or twice a day
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:02 pm to
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May I ask where this suggestion comes from?



It's a personal opinion, maybe I'm wrong when it comes to ADHD, but my guess is that when it comes to psychological diagnosis go to someone who is an expert in that field. You bring a Ferrari to a Ferrari mechanic, not some general mechanic. Sure a GP or a pediatrician be able to diagnosis and he may be knowledgeable but a psychiatrist will likely be able to give you a better opinion on the matter.

my first point was maybe to extreme but I think in general it's best to go to an expert in a field when possible.

Edit: it's unrelated but I go see a psychiatrist for private reasons, I've had to change
shrinks and he told me go see a psychiatrist, sure a GP could manage my condition but a psychiatrist will do a much better job. I'm assuming it's the same with ADHD and ADD
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 8:05 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:16 pm to
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Its the result of gullibility, laziness, and childishness.

Gullibility in trust everything and "scientist" says.

Laziness of doctors and parents who dont want to work harder to discipline their children and stop feeding them shite and media.


Yep. We didn't gave ADHD until spanking became politically incorrect.

The irony is drugging kids to modify their behavior is a far worse form of abuse. A smack on the butt is over in a few seconds.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:16 pm to
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my first point was maybe to extreme but I think in general it's best to go to an expert in a field when possible.



A common thought from the general public. But ADHD is diagnosed by a questionnaire with set criteria. Particularly in children, it's diagnosed based off answers from (preferably) 2 teachers and 2 parents. It's also very easy to manage the vast majority of the time. Psychiatrists don't have access to any better questionnaires or any better stimulants. Some primary care physicians train where there's lots of ADHD managed, some not so much. I'm one of the former. A psychiatrist isn't any help to managing the disease until it's not straightforward. That is, if there's an underlying reason the patient has the disease that would be better treated with psychotherapy or if they're not responsive to first and second line medications.

Bottom line- folks who think they've got kids or a personal history of ADHD should go to their primary care first. It's very much a primary care managed disease- kind of like hypertension or diabetes (you wouldn't really need to go to a nephrologist, cardiologist, or endocrinologist for either of those). Further, specialists like pediatric psychiatrists are in very short supply. They'd likely not even want to see a straightforward ADHD case. Many specialists prefer a good primary care physician manage the patient until they reach the end of their knowledge. They don't like simple, one-medicine-controlled patients where they have nothing to add other than another bill. They like to see the complicated cases.

Maybe if you live in an area with a lot of pediatricians/FPs that don't see much ADHD/didn't train with it but have an abundance of Ped Psych that may be true, but I would tend to disagree with your opinion. Probably in no small part due to my seeing a ton of ADHD and managing it with good results without so much as having access to a Ped Psych anywhere readonably near. But you'll see most recommendations online show that it's pretty much a PCP-managed disease
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 8:18 pm
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:18 pm to
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ADHD is definitely an actual disease.

It's been extremely over diagnosed in the last decade for various reasons. And there are definitely parents who push for that diagnosis with doctors who enable the hell out of it.


Seriously. I knew a kid in school that as gifted and ADHD. The dude was wired as hell all the time. But it's most cases are probably bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 8:19 pm
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:22 pm to
Ok didn't know, thanks.

Edit: I have little experience with adhd, so I'm not that informed.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:43 pm to
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I have little experience with adhd, so I'm not that informed


General rule of thumb- you should start with your PCP for essentially any non-emergent complaint. Even things that wind up being heart, psych, lung, surgical, etc- unless you're particularly well-informed or previously established with a specialist to take care of a certain problem, there's really not anyone better to take care of you than the one guy/gal who knows everything about you. Internal/family medicine and Peds for the most part take care of quite a bit more than a runny nose. A surprising amount of things people think needs a specialist in reality doesn't.

In an area where there are an abundance of subspecialists with direct access, you get fractionated care and doctors that don't talk to each other, and it breeds this mentality among patients that stomach aches belong in a gastroenterologist's office. It's not uncommon to have a patient seen by 3-5 doctors who don't talk to each other, don't know what the other is writing for the patient, and don't really understand the patient's history. So if you do have a primary care, start there. If they tell you they aren't comfortable with the management or you for some reason aren't comfortable with their management, talk to them about seeing someone else- they're usually happy to refer in either situation unless they really feel your concern is unwarranted. If they don't stop and explain why you should be comfortable with their management, look for a better primary care doc.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:52 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:56 pm to
The three things everyone in America believes they have an expertise in are medicine, global warming and evolution.

Without fail, every high school grad with an Internet connection believes they are qualified to intelligently discuss those topics.
Posted by OGtigerfan73
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:57 pm to
I feel like if we could napalm everybody in this thread we could get rid of 90% of the crazy conspiracy theorists on this site. And yes I know that's means I would go down too but it would be worth it.
Posted by Swoopin
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:18 pm to
This generation of iPad parents is going to push these diagnoses to newer and newer records.

My arse loved video games and TV but that shite was hooked to a wall so you had a natural break from them when you weren't at the house. Even then, I'm sure my attention span is fricked compared to a clone of me born 20 years earlier, but seeing kids hooked on their iPads everywhere they go is eye-opening to a young guy (late 20s) like me.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile, AL.
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:26 am to
I never figured out if I really had it or not. I just listened to what my teachers and doctors said for almost 15 years. But after awhile I couldn't stand the way Ritalin made me feel.

Yeah, I got things done but afterwards I felt like not doing much. And that feeling more often happened when I was trying to just hang at a party or something. When ever I'd go to big parties people where cool to me but I felt so sketched out. It was embarrassing to me personally.. shitty way to feel inside.

anyway, I don't take anything any more and everything is good as it can be I guess.

I just drink a lot now but at least I'm a happy drunk.

Posted by Oneforthemoney
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 6:17 am to
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EXTREMELY over-diagnosed. Literally any kid could go in and be diagnosed with ADHD because they can't sit still for a few hours. Kids need more recess at school


Wish they would over-diagnose and give a weed prescription.
Posted by bigblake
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 6:30 am to
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Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 6:46 am to
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If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor

That turned out to be bullshite too
Posted by tidalmouse
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 6:52 am to
I do think when you've got Elementary School Kids taking pills they're more inclined to take other pills when they get older.

I've got Nieces and Nephew that have been strung out on Narcotics that Doctors don't even give me.And I'm 55 and have had a knee replacement.jmho
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