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re: School Resource Officer "Body Slams" Student Sitting in Desk
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:42 am to Retro
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:42 am to Retro
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Good. Got what he deserved.
Eh, he kind of got hung out to dry.
The Principal, VP, the school disciplinarian, and teacher all deserve some blame for not being able to handle 1 student themselves without having to call the officer in.
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:45 am to GetCocky11
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Eh, he kind of got hung out to dry.
Not to mention his Sheriff drove a bus over him pretty quick. I am betting his deputies are not working hard today at all.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:45 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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No one is talking about the kids actions. Just the adults.
Gee, a stupid teenage kid being a brat vs a full grown man that should know better than to fling her across the room and you wonder why people are more concerned by the adult's actions?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:47 am to GetCocky11
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The Principal, VP, the school disciplinarian, and teacher all deserve some blame for not being able to handle 1 student themselves without having to call the officer in.
So what's your suggestion with having to handle that situation as one of those people? By law in most states, a school staff member can't put their hands on a student unless they are a threat to themselves or someone else in the school/classroom. And if the kid is defiant enough, you can't always talk them down either.
Obviously you can try to intervene and use some de-escalation strategies to get the kid to comply. But I can promise you there's a lot of kids who simply don't give a frick. And we've had parents who outright block the school's number so you can't contact them either. You're expected to just sit and "deal with it".
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:48 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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I bet SRO's across the country are telling admins don't call me for unruly students unless they are fighting.
I bet you are correct.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:48 am to GetCocky11
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The Principal, VP, the school disciplinarian, and teacher all deserve some blame for not being able to handle 1 student themselves without having to call the officer in.
This. This . This.
You have the Vice Principle & Teacher as witnesses to the student' s refusal to give up her phone.
Handle this administratively after class has finished.
Pen is mightier than the sword.
1)Send her home to her parents ( suspension) & let them discipline her.
2)She is no longer allowed to bring a phone in class ( without special permission) or she shall be sent home again.
Let the parents deal with her.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:48 am to Dr RC
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Gee, a stupid teenage kid being a brat vs a full grown man that should know better than to fling her across the room and you wonder why people are more concerned by the adult's actions?
Leave it to an A&M fan to defend the brat's antics.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:51 am to sugar71
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1)Send her home to her parents ( suspension) & let them discipline her.
This is a great notion if you can get the parent to pick up the phone or if the number in the system is still connected. And if they refuse to move and you do put your hands on them to remove them from the classroom, BAM comes the lawsuit.
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2)She is no longer allowed to bring a phone in class ( without special permission) or she shall be sent home again. Let the parents deal with her.
This is great if the parents give a shite. The expression, the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree, is often a very, very accurate one in cases like this.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:52 am to accnodefense
Saying the cop should not have flung her across the room is not defending the kid's actions. This isn't an either or situation. They were both wrong. However, the adult in the situation still handled it very poorly and should have known better because.... wait for it... HE'S AN ADULT.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:53 am to Dr RC
goddamn shame.
teachers used to routinely whip us in the hallway for insubordination..even got whupped one time for talking in class.
the idea of punching at a teacher/cop/adult and not expecting what happened here is insane.
bitch wasn't a bit hurt except that pride tho
teachers used to routinely whip us in the hallway for insubordination..even got whupped one time for talking in class.
the idea of punching at a teacher/cop/adult and not expecting what happened here is insane.
bitch wasn't a bit hurt except that pride tho
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:54 am to BluegrassBelle
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So what's your suggestion with having to handle that situation as one of those people? By law in most states, a school staff member can't put their hands on a student unless they are a threat to themselves or someone else in the school/classroom. And if the kid is defiant enough, you can't always talk them down either.
Obviously you can try to intervene and use some de-escalation strategies to get the kid to comply. But I can promise you there's a lot of kids who simply don't give a frick. And we've had parents who outright block the school's number so you can't contact them either. You're expected to just sit and "deal with it"
Why must anyone make this child comply physically?
Is that how we get people to do things we don't want them?
They have 2 adult witnesses who could have simply handled this after class.
Send her home( suspension) & ban this student from bringing her phone into class( without special permission).
If the parents don't like that I suspended her & banned her from bringing it to class again they can send her to another school or home school her. Period.
No need to physically make someone comply .
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:57 am to sugar71
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They have 2 adult witnesses who could have simply handled this after class.
And what do you do if the student still continues to refuse to move?
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Send her home( suspension) & ban this student from bringing her phone into class( without special permission). If the parents don't like that I suspended her & banned her from bringing it to class again they can send her to another school or home school her. Period. No need to physically make someone comply .
Once again, the student was physically refusing to move. They even refused when requested by an officer. How are you going to get her home to suspend her? And you can't just send a student to another school if the have a resides area (that's how it is here). And you can't force a parent to home school a student either. A lot of these kids with significant behavior issues have little to no support from home. You're lucky if you see a parent throughout the school year.
Some of you have a very, very utopian view of kids and the way the system works these days.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:59 am to BluegrassBelle
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And you can't just send a student to another school
Sure you can. Send her to the alternative high school where all the bad kids go.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:59 am to BluegrassBelle
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And what do you do if the student still continues to refuse to mov
Allow her to sit there and be continue to be a disruptive little snowflake and screw the decent kids out of and education today because you know #blacklivesmatter.
Still no solutions offer regarding actually getting this chick out of the room. Suspension, sending her home, loss of phone, etc are all things that can be done after the fact.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:03 pm to GetCocky11
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Sure you can. Send her to the alternative high school where all the bad kids go.
If teachers and administrators could that easily send a student to an alternative school then the complaints across the country about behavior in the classroom wouldn't be an issue. In most district you have to bring a weapon to school, have a SIGNIFICANT behavior history, and/or assault a teacher to get placed in an alternative program. Even worse, in some districts like mine, the parent can refuse that placement if they don't feel it's warranted even if you have all of the data in the world to back it up.
Once again, very, very utopian view of how behavior is handled in the school system now.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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This is a great notion if you can get the parent to pick up the phone or if the number in the system is still connected. And if they refuse to move and you do put your hands on them to remove them from the classroom, BAM comes the lawsuit.
Wtf are you you talking about?
1)I Said handle this after class when she doesn't comply
2) They shall know she is suspended when the school notifies the parents / she isn't allowed on the bus etc.... by mail phone or however the hell they notify parents of suspensions.
And what's with the snide remarks.
If the parents can afford to buy the child a smart phone I'm sure they can be contacted as well.
But shes Black & you make some silly presumptions about her parents / finances.
I'm sorry if you feel that if little girls don't comply that it's okay to get physical with them.
Good lesson to teach the other kids on how to handle unruly women.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:11 pm to sugar71
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1)I Said handle this after class when she doesn't comply
Yep. I agree. Let the little turd continue to disrupt the class and screw the rest of the kids trying to learn.
That's how shite works now.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:12 pm to sugar71
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Wtf are you you talking about?
You clearly lack any knowledge of what working in a school is like.
My wife has a hell of a time contacting parents of her students who behave poorly. There's honestly about a 25% chance they pick up. Parent often ignore calls. Based on the behavior of this kid I'd venture to say she doesn't have the greatest parents in the world raising her.
Once again. How do we correct her disruptive actions so that the kids in the room can continue learning? Doing things after class isn't an answer because it doesn't solve the current problem of her disruption and its impact on the other kids.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:15 pm to sugar71
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And what's with the snide remarks. If the parents can afford to buy the child a smart phone I'm sure they can be contacted as well. But shes Black & you make some silly presumptions about her parents / finances.
Nah, I worked in a persistently low achieving school for almost a decade and we routinely had parents who would change numbers and give false numbers to schools to avoid being "bothered". It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with shitty parents. That certainly knows no racial or gender bounds.
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Wtf are you you talking about? 1)I Said handle this after class when she doesn't comply 2) They shall know she is suspended when the school notifies the parents / she isn't allowed on the bus etc.... by mail phone or however the hell they notify parents of suspensions.
Once again, so what do you do if she continues to not comply? Just let her sit there until 10 pm? And you can't just leave her in the classroom if there are other classes to follow that she'll disrupt.
And mail takes multiple days to run. If there is no valid contact numbers and she refuses to move from the spot she's in how exactly is the staff supposed to get her home?
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And what's with the snide remarks.
They're not snide remarks. I'm just pointing out that your "solution" isn't exactly valid in a real time situation where it needs to be handled there and not an hour from then when class is over IF the student decides to comply.
What's with you being a race baiter and calling someone who calls out the kid's behavior and shitty parent's lack of involvement racist?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:16 pm to tylercsbn9
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Once again. How do we correct her disruptive actions so that the kids in the room can continue learning? Doing things after class isn't an answer because it doesn't solve the current problem of her disruption and its impact on the other kids.
Sugar71britches doesn't care about that. That doesn't offend her SJW bone.
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