re: Sayonara St. George...

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f the undesirables move out there, those of good culture will just move back (which is happening in many metro areas

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You're absolutely right that it is happening in many metro areas, just not here. Everyone knows that this city, state, and overall mentality is very very slow to change, and always about 20-30 years behind the curve. I'd argue that if the people of this area woke up tomorrow understanding and valuing these concepts, the city of Baton Rouge would be transformed so fast it would make everyone's head spin. Can't very well get rid of the Germans until you first invade though, and can't invade until you first have a battle plan, and can't do that until you take the very first step in declaring war on the occupying force, and even before that recognizing them as a threat, and that the criminal occupying element won't be stopped with holding your breath and moving further away instead of confronting it like a community should.

you need to read what i state in that thread. you're creating an ad hom attack out of pure ignorance

it's actually hilarious and slightly cute

since your claims are so ridiculous, i'll do you a favor

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well people moved away for reasons, usually high prices and lack of amenities (typically parking)

i don't mind private investment in urban areas when prices crash and it makes sense, but this halcyon view of downtowns is just silly

but even worse is this arrogance against suburban living. that's waht i really have a problem with

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the government has no business redistributing money for some liberal-progressive preference

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it is happening in many metro areas, just not here.

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because people get called racists

also BR still has plenty of suburban area in its metro area to expand, with great schools, so there isn't a demand to move closer to the ghetto

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. I'd argue that if the people of this area woke up tomorrow understanding and valuing these concepts, the city of Baton Rouge would be transformed so fast it would make everyone's head spin.

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so where would your authoritarian vision move all of the ghetto people?

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Can't very well get rid of the Germans until you first invade though, and can't invade until you first have a battle plan, and can't do that until you take the very first step in declaring war on the occupying force, and even before that recognizing them as a threat, and that the criminal occupying element won't be stopped with holding your breath.

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so...again...where do they go?

are we back to genocide?

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People moved out of urban areas for the reasons Mike mentioned earlier in this thread. Also, there were government incentives at the time for people to build houses of the outskirts.

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the lack of government intrusion is not the same "government incentives" in the direct sense of the word

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It's not just liberals who want downtowns revitalized and urban infill.

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government redistribution is liberal and something i think is terrible

if people believe moving downtown is economically feasible, then let them invest private money in doing so

don't spend my money trying to lure people into cities b/c other areas had private parties willing to invest private money. that's socialism and redistribution and that's terrible

let the market sort itself out. keep government out

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Which claims are ridiculous?

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that i don't believe in urban renewal

i believe in it strongly...well, i believe in private urban renewal strongly. i love gentrification

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the Mayor’s Office is also close to securing a petition for annexation from the Mall of Louisiana and properties that currently separate the mall from the city limits.

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so instead of addressing the concerns of the highest paying tax base, they are focusing their efforts to this.

kind of proving st. george's point for them eh?

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government redistribution is liberal and something i think is terrible

if people believe moving downtown is economically feasible, then let them invest private money in doing so

don't spend my money trying to lure people into cities b/c other areas had private parties willing to invest private money. that's socialism and redistribution and that's terrible

let the market sort itself out. keep government out

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Well, a lot of times a small amount of government investment can spur a whole lot of private investment and I think that has come to fruition in downtown Baton Rouge for example. And it could end up being a money-saver for the government in the long-term.

If the taxpayers have the option of future growth occurring on the outskirts compared to right in the heart of downtown, the latter generates a lot less demand on the existing infrastructure. So if the government wants to makes investment in downtown (like has been done in BR), I don't have a problem with that. Especially, considering how much money they've spent widening and adding new infrastructure on the outskirts.

Also, having a vibrant downtown goes a long way in attracting new businesses and tourism, something that again, can give the government a return on their investment.

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that i don't believe in urban renewal

i believe in it strongly...well, i believe in private urban renewal strongly. i love gentrification

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Glad to hear it.

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Posted by Mike da Tigah

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Just as an extra point, you do realize that by moving wealthier people back into these areas just shifts the ghetto culture out, right? It won't get rid of the ghetto culture. They'll just move to the areas the wealthy individuals just left.

The two cultures will not remain in the same area. This is already happening in many places. Gentrification is what they call it.

As wealthier individuals move back in, the ghetto culture gets priced out of their homes and they move.

Your perfect situation doesn't exist.

You cannot destroy the ghetto culture.

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Just as an extra point, you do realize that by moving wealthier people back into these areas just shifts the ghetto culture out, right?

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Good... Let them grow and eat a bunch of peaches for all I care, and leave the urban areas to the highly valued areas like most other cities have in place with a lick of sense in their brain.

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kind of proving st. george's point for them eh?

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No it's not. St. George has no point. There's nothing that can be done about the public school situation, much less as long as there's a Federal Court mandate.

Things are better in Baton Rouge than they have been in decades. Downtown is almost unrecognizable from 15 years ago and things are looking better than ever with IBM and now the massive Water District on the way. Mid CIty is humming-housing prices in some areas of Mid City are off the hook. Bluebonnet Highland is hopping. L'Auberge looks great. Campus North is being revitalized with all new student housing. Airline is so much better with the 6 lane. Brand new Women's Hospital. I-12 and I-10 have helped tremendously with the commutes. Especially I-12. They cleaned house at CATS. BREC is nationally recognized. The economy is rolling. That's all good for everyone in the 5 parish area, not the least the people of "St. George."

Sure there's plenty of problems, but as horrific crime rate is, 99% is contained in the hood and the average "St. Georgian" isn't effected by it one bit. Public schools are simply insolvable. So what? Same as most any major urban area in the country. If it's really that bad move to Texas and scream like your nuts are being chopped when your property tax bill comes in.

I mean to listen to the St George people BR is spiraling down. Everything I see is just the opposite--BR is on a major upswing, and these wing nuts want to put a major hurting on EBR.

The Mayor and City Parish Council are rightfully telling them to go pound sand...