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re: Runnels School Closing - Not Just High School

Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:32 am to
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33594 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:32 am to
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Haha, I don't know...my $16k is pretty important right now
some schools will work with you if in fact you get screwed. Ive seen em do it before
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33594 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:33 am to
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Property is not in St George it is right over the line. Good chance a charter school would buy it. If national group is looking to open or move a charter school you can buy this ready made school for cheaper then can build. Was completely rebuilt after it flooded in 2016.
worth more to a developer than a charter school.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8068 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:33 am to
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People will get their money back but may take a month.

Teachers had a choice to be paid for 9 months they work or break it down into 12 month payments so get the same amount each month of the year. All money owed will be paid.


A lot of talk here and would be interested to know what makes this poster state such things with certainty.

Sounds a lot like the emails parents received stating all was well and K-8 was in no danger of closing.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40133 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:36 am to
I don't have any connection to the school, and I'm sorry for those of you who do.

My guess, based upon everything I have seen over last few months, is that when the HS closed, or really, going back to when they first issued a plea for help, there was probably a crisis of confidence among the parents, who reacted by finding new schools or holding back payments (with good reason). That could have impacted their thoughts about being able to stay open.

It does appear that, through commission or omission, there are financial issues. I don't understand how a 50 year old school can be "fully mortgaged". Even if they were underinsured for the flood, FEMA was throwing money around at all the schools. How does this happen?

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The already marginal enrollment in those grades contains a significant number of Monthly Contracts, requiring relatively little cash at enrollment time, with a significant fraction of the payments not due until the summer months


Are they the only private school around that hasn't moved to the "tuition loan" model?

There are some accusations of inpropriety, which I get, completely. But this almost seems like an issue of not making prudent financial decisions over time, more so than intentionally trying to steal money.

Timing is terrible. Hopefully y'all can find new options.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33594 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:39 am to
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Are they the only private school around that hasn't moved to the "tuition loan" model?

There are some accusations of inpropriety, which I get, completely. But this almost seems like an issue of not making prudent financial decisions over time, more so than intentionally trying to steal money.

Timing is terrible. Hopefully y'all can find new options.
actually to do the loan model - it's an outside agency that over sees that and they generally want to see the books. Also when you are doing the loan model that also means NOBODY is going without paying (unless their tuition payment is coming from a dedicated fund)
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40133 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:40 am to
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This is so sad. I hate to see this school close it’s doors. What it boils down to is more and more middle class people want/depend on free shite and so they will choose put their children in government funded schools... public, magnet, charter etc. Religious schools aren’t far behind and even the good ones will have no choice but to take vouchers in order to keep their doors open. When that happens, private education is done. Sad, sad days ahead.

Thanks Jindal, Chas and Caroline Roemer, Eddie Rispone, Steve Carter, Senator Conrad Appel, etc etc


So... you realize that in most states not named LA, over 90 percent of parents (including a lot of conservatives) send their kids to public school, right?

In most places, private schools are reserved for the ultra-rich, ultra-religious, or ultra-badasses who get expelled from public schools.

From your post, I am assuming you don't support the concept of public schools. Which, while I disagree with you, is something a number of people believe in.

I don't get you blasting Jindal, Chas Roemer, Rispone, etc. The actions they have taken have made our public schools better. If we are going to spend tax money on public schools, shouldn't we get the best ones we can get? Should they have instead acted to make the schools WORSE?

Again, LA is last in most things, and has the highest percentage of kids in non-public schools. So... maybe more private schools ISN'T the answer?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33594 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:44 am to
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So... you realize that in most states not named LA, over 90 percent of parents (including a lot of conservatives) send their kids to public school, right?

In most places, private schools are reserved for the ultra-rich, ultra-religious, or ultra-badasses who get expelled from public schools.

From your post, I am assuming you don't support the concept of public schools. Which, while I disagree with you, is something a number of people believe in.

I don't get you blasting Jindal, Chas Roemer, Rispone, etc. The actions they have taken have made our public schools better. If we are going to spend tax money on public schools, shouldn't we get the best ones we can get? Should they have instead acted to make the schools WORSE?

Again, LA is last in most things, and has the highest percentage of kids in non-public schools. So... maybe more private schools ISN'T the answer?
I;ll buy you a drink! nice reply..... and take a gander at what LA spends per student as opposed to states way way ahead of us.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40133 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:45 am to
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actually to do the loan model - it's an outside agency that over sees that and they generally want to see the books.


Well, it's usually a bank. And I guess since the loan doesn't require a credit check, the bank tries to use the school's finances as a proxy for lending decisions. And if you won't open the books... they won't work with you.

Never thought of it that way.

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Also when you are doing the loan model that also means NOBODY is going without paying (unless their tuition payment is coming from a dedicated fund)


The two years my kids were in a Catholic school, the first year we paid it all up front, the second year, we paid half up front and financed half. So in our case, the bank didn't require the full amount financed, in fact, it was the school that told the bank how much to finance for us. So if you had kids getting discounts on tuition, the bank just wouldn't finance as much.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40133 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:47 am to
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and take a gander at what LA spends per student as opposed to states way way ahead of us.


It's bad.

I've looked into this before, and it seems to break down into two areas.

1) Pure waste... too much overhead at state and district levels, too many people getting paid outside the classroom

2) Special ed... we have an insanely high population of kids on 504 plans, some of which costs a lot to implement.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33594 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:09 am to
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It's bad.

I've looked into this before, and it seems to break down into two areas.

1) Pure waste... too much overhead at state and district levels, too many people getting paid outside the classroom

2) Special ed... we have an insanely high population of kids on 504 plans, some of which costs a lot to implement.
bingo.. although some parishes manage their special ed programs well.... ok a handful - the rest are money pits( which is shameful). likely why charters are cleaning their clocks.... I was on a private school board for 6 years and we did very well with 4700 less per student than nearby public schools
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
4069 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:11 am to
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Just going to leave this here



Holy shite. Out of touch doesn’t even begin to describe the Runnels as it relates to this situation. They need to be scared of what might happen to them. That’s a clear violation of their fiduciary responsibilities.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
52865 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:13 am to
Louisiana ranks middle of the pack in spending per pupil. I can only guess that it's massive administrative bloat? We sure aren't getting our money's worth for our 48th ranked schools.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85244 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:32 am to
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. YOUR taxes that YOU pay cover a smidgeon of YOUR kids education.,like I said, people have become accustomed to “free”shite and that’s clearly what the government wants.,The I pay for it so I use it argument is getting old.


People go to public schools everywhere else and are fine. This is a Louisiana thing. Good public schools have parent involvment and community involvement.

Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2101 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:35 am to
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when they first issued a plea for help

The initial "plea for help" back in October was from Dr. Runnels. That initial letter painted a much more dire situation than did the subsequent letters that were from the Board of Trustees.

The letters from the Board of Trustees that made emphatic statements that the 8 and under grades were profitable and were in no danger of closure are a serious problem, especially if they are unable to repay the parents.

Dr. Runnels needs a spokesperson and should stop talking to everyone that comes to his door. Parents posting YouTube videos of him and him talking to Brittany Weiss could result in everyone showing up on a Monday morning to a shuttered school and creating an even more massive clusterfrick.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40133 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:46 am to
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The initial "plea for help" back in October was from Dr. Runnels. That initial letter painted a much more dire situation than did the subsequent letters that were from the Board of Trustees.

The letters from the Board of Trustees that made emphatic statements that the 8 and under grades were profitable and were in no danger of closure are a serious problem, especially if they are unable to repay the parents.


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Dr. Runnels needs a spokesperson


But not the Board of Trustees, apparently.

Old people who have a pastoral view of what "they nutured" do exactly as he did - talk to everyone, use "plain language" and don't use a flack.

This seems to further my thought that this guy might have been a nice caring man but for various reasons (some likely outside his control and some likely self-inflicted) he lost the ability to shepherd the school through this.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8068 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:49 am to
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Dr. Runnels needs a spokesperson and should stop talking to everyone that comes to his door. Parents posting YouTube videos of him and him talking to Brittany Weiss could result in everyone showing up on a Monday morning to a shuttered school and creating an even more massive clusterfrick.


Not sure anything any parent/news person says or does changes how much money they have in the bank and the fixed operating costs it takes to keep the doors open.

When a few million changes hands and is spent without delivering services there are consequences.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10457 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:51 am to
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I honestly feel like single people should be allowed to not pay school taxes. Heck I'd even get a vasectomy. You wanted a child, pay for your child's education.

We should at least be able to use it as a deduction on our income tax filing.
Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
918 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:52 am to
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 7:48 am
Posted by LouisianaWhipDancer
Member since Feb 2015
74 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:54 am to
WOW. RIP to a great small community and very competitive school in sports.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6032 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:55 am to
The year of the flood, I knew a family that had paid for the next year and moved their kid to another school. They figured Runnels was doomed (and they were) and realized they had taken a risk paying in advance. They knew they could not get their payment back because the school was planning to reopen but asked if their tuition could be donated to other families who were staying. They were flat out told no. So they had a full tuition payed and no one to fill the spot and they would not give it to another family or break it up among a few families. Total dick move.
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