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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:12 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:12 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
A) There had to have been a master key/card. How long to get it up to the 31st floor, 5 mins max?
B) In that time, depending on how long the cop had been there at the hotel, someone HAD to have known the layout of the room, where the windows were etc. You know the windows he shooting out of, maybe one or two max. you have 4 men, each armed. Looks like there may have even been two entrances, I'm not sure, but if so even better.
C) Yeah, MAYBE the doors are booby-trapped. But you have to take that chance.The one thing that is SURE is the guy is sending rounds downrange and killing people. You roll the dice. Some action is always better than NO action.
D) So worst case scenario, one entrance and you don't have his/their firepower. You stack at the door, use card to get into room while perp is firing. So you have four semi-auto's in the room probably before perp has time to realize rooms been entered. Even if multiple perps you still have the advantage of surprise.
As for him having a funnel to shoot in the entryway, that is true. But he can't shoot out a window while maintaining eyes on the door behind him, especially with his eye in a scope/red dot. Advantage attacking force (while perp is firing out window at crowd)
JMHO
B) In that time, depending on how long the cop had been there at the hotel, someone HAD to have known the layout of the room, where the windows were etc. You know the windows he shooting out of, maybe one or two max. you have 4 men, each armed. Looks like there may have even been two entrances, I'm not sure, but if so even better.
C) Yeah, MAYBE the doors are booby-trapped. But you have to take that chance.The one thing that is SURE is the guy is sending rounds downrange and killing people. You roll the dice. Some action is always better than NO action.
D) So worst case scenario, one entrance and you don't have his/their firepower. You stack at the door, use card to get into room while perp is firing. So you have four semi-auto's in the room probably before perp has time to realize rooms been entered. Even if multiple perps you still have the advantage of surprise.
As for him having a funnel to shoot in the entryway, that is true. But he can't shoot out a window while maintaining eyes on the door behind him, especially with his eye in a scope/red dot. Advantage attacking force (while perp is firing out window at crowd)
JMHO
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:13 pm
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:14 pm to baldona
Yea I could see them using a key, but I wouldn’t be knocking. I’m just wondering how hard it would be to pinpoint the gunfire coming from a certain room. That’s why I’m not gonna sit here and call him a coward, cause only lord knows what I would do if in that position.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:15 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
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The fact remains thought that FIFTEEN minutes went by and no one else stepped up
Makes one ask questions....
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:15 pm to AUTimbo
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AUTimbo
you pretty much combined the legit parts of our comments which is pretty hard to argue against..
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:16 pm to AUTimbo
Lol ok.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:19 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
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I get this, but four rushing targets is hard to hit with any rifle
Okay now that I've quoted you are you happy? They had no idea at this point that there was only one guy in there. if he had bombs, etc. The dude even had video camera outside his room. He could have easily just shot through the door and killed all four of them. But thanks for your input Captain Hindsight.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:19 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
Your boy wants to use a key card for entry while a security guard was already shot through the walls.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:22 pm to whoisnickdoobs
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now that I've quoted you are you happy?
lol, wut...you have to quote where I said what you claim..
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:22 pm to toosleaux
They were waiting on their orders from their deep state handlers
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:22 pm to beerJeep
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How do you think we should test to see if someone has the willpower to overcome their natura instincts?
The Army could do it easily, but in order to do it properly and really weed out who they needed to would mean they'd have an army that is too small.
But that's not the point, there were FIVE freaking guys. FIVE. Its not like this cop was by himself. Frankly the guy froze, its BS that none of the others took over when he FROZE.
There's a good chance one of the 3 security guards was prior military or police considering they all had weapons. I'm not taking the blame away from all of them. Its not like Hendrix was running away, he simply froze. They all should have stepped up.
Check the rooms door by door, open one and clear it. Once in the room it would have been pretty obvious if there was shooting.
As said, no one said to engange and kill the shooter. You engage the shooter with FIVE people and get the shooter to direct his attention to you and not unarmed civilians.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:24 pm to JetsetNuggs
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a-hole was firing hundreds of rounds from multiple guns. The cops are just humans.
frick that. Give me a key to the room, body armor, couple cans of tear gas to toss in there, and a shotgun with buckshot and I could easily clear that hotel room and would.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:26 pm to toosleaux
Is this when the conspiracy theorists will say he was paid off by the saudi’s Since the saudi’s Did it
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:27 pm to toosleaux
For the people asking, the officers were told the floor and room number of where paddock was shooting from. You can hear in the video
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:28 pm to toosleaux
meh he was probably a basic patrol officer or something - if you want to expect more out of them pay more to get it.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:29 pm to baldona
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The Army could do it easily, but in order to do it properly and really weed out who they needed to would mean they'd have an army that is too small.
Lol really? Theyve been trying for years to figure it out. Maybe you should enlighten them
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But that's not the point, there were FIVE freaking guys. FIVE. Its not like this cop was by himself. Frankly the guy froze, its BS that none of the others took over when he FROZE.
Natural instincts work man. Most can’t overcome them.
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There's a good chance one of the 3 security guards was prior military or police considering they all had weapons. I'm not taking the blame away from all of them. Its not like Hendrix was running away, he simply froze. They all should have stepped up
I’d bet dollars to donuts you’d freeze too.
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Check the rooms door by door, open one and clear it. Once in the room it would have been pretty obvious if there was shooting.
As said, no one said to engange and kill the shooter. You engage the shooter with FIVE people and get the shooter to direct his attention to you and not unarmed civilians.
So.... get shot through the door like the other dude did? Because... like... he had cams up in the hallway and knew when the cops were coming...
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:33 pm to deltaland
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frick that. Give me a key to the room, body armor, couple cans of tear gas to toss in there, and a shotgun with buckshot and I could easily clear that hotel room and would.
I think that's what they were waiting on.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:35 pm to toosleaux
Gordon McKernan would have rushed into that hotel room because he's a peacemaker and is blessed.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:35 pm to beerJeep
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Lol really? Theyve been trying for years to figure it out. Maybe you should enlighten them
How many Rangers and Special Ops guys freeze? Don't tell me they can't test that's BS, they just need grunts to clean the shitters and drive the trucks too. They won't join if they know they won't ever be in real combat, that's not how recruiting works.
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I’d bet dollars to donuts you’d freeze too.
Lol, ok. Cause you IRL know me and that I haven't been shot at?
ETA: Your point is MOOT anyway. This has nothing to do with being shot at. It has everything to do with protecting innocent people. There's a big difference.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:37 pm to baldona
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How many Rangers and Special Ops guys freeze?
I would imagine, honestly, a few ....
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Cause you IRL know me and that I haven't been shot at?
ones who have, don't brag about it...js
You seem like a decent dude, don't be a douche
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:37 pm to baldona
I don't think the resources are available to give every patrol officer Spec Ops training unfortunately
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