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Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:47 pm to CarRamrod
No.....no.....no
If the home was acquired prior to the marriage, then it is considered separate property see LA Civil Code Art. 2341
The separate property of a spouse is his exclusively. Does not matter if the note in and of itself was paid with community funds once the legal regime (matrimony). It's his and his alone.....the spouse has no claim under the law to the property, she could sue to be paid back if her funds helped to pay the note, but it's generally a loser
If the home was acquired prior to the marriage, then it is considered separate property see LA Civil Code Art. 2341
The separate property of a spouse is his exclusively. Does not matter if the note in and of itself was paid with community funds once the legal regime (matrimony). It's his and his alone.....the spouse has no claim under the law to the property, she could sue to be paid back if her funds helped to pay the note, but it's generally a loser
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:48 pm to NOLA Tiger
If he didn't do the steps I described above, she would have a claim to reimbursement. Check dat civil code baw
ETA: It's Civil Code Art. 2339. Just so you don't have to search that I'm right lol
ETA: It's Civil Code Art. 2339. Just so you don't have to search that I'm right lol
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:02 pm to KiwiHead
quote:that code you references is acquired property...... a house with a mortgage isnt acquired property. Im not an attorney but that is how i have heard many attorneys explain it. Everything put into the house after marriage is community property.
No.....no.....no
If the home was acquired prior to the marriage, then it is considered separate property see LA Civil Code Art. 2341
The separate property of a spouse is his exclusively. Does not matter if the note in and of itself was paid with community funds once the legal regime (matrimony). It's his and his alone.....the spouse has no claim under the law to the property, she could sue to be paid back if her funds helped to pay the note, but it's generally a loser
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:06 pm to KiwiHead
This is 100% correct. I had a case once where one spouse acquired property before the marriage and after the marriage donated 1/2 to the spouse without making a declaration that the purpose was to make it community. One spouse died (the donee), with the children of the deceased spouse (from a previous marriage) inheriting what became the deceased spouse's 1/2 separate portion. They had put a mortgage on it together and all other property acquired and debts incurred (including the mortgage) were community.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:09 pm to 70739tigah
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Does the woman have a claim to ownership?
NO. the only thing she would be entitled to is HALF of the amount of the principle reduction during the term of their marriage. at least this is the way it was explained to me here in arkansas
for example: 200,000 is owed on the house at time of marriage. during the 5 years of marriage the principle is reduced to 160,000 she would be entitled to 20k which is exactly half of the principle reduction for the time they were married. this is obviously if he wants to keep the house.
not too long ago went through almost this exact scenario and this is what i was told per my lawyers.
ETA: my lawyers also sucked donkey dong so, i am only assuming this is correct
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:12 pm to 70739tigah
I have a piece of property that is family land and inherited. No structures on it. From what I've been told, since I inherited before I was married, the wife has no claim to it if we ever got a divorce.
I am not a lawyer; this is just my understanding. I could be wrong.
I am not a lawyer; this is just my understanding. I could be wrong.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:16 pm to BRbornandraised
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she is entitled to reimbursement of half of all mortgage payments made during the marriage
Wouldn't it be half of the either the difference in the mortgage principal balance or half the difference in amount of equity?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:20 pm to Tiger Prawn
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This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Prawn
It is the difference in principle between date of marriage and date of file.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:22 pm to BRbornandraised
That is not the same. Half of the payment would include interest. Half of principle does not.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:22 pm to 70739tigah
quote:
The husband bought the home before they were married.
quote:
Mortgage was paid for completely by husband with separate income (rental income from property he owned prior to marriage).
there is a very strong argument that this is 100% separate property, and it's theoretical that the husband could demand rental reimbursement in the community partition. i would speak with an attorney who handles this area specifically though, as it's not my area of expertise. as always, this is not legal advise and ultimately if you have to litigate it, it's up to the judge to determine (which is why i said there is a strong argument only)
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:24 pm to BRbornandraised
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I'm going to assume he didn't do the correct steps to declare those funds as separate income,
very good point. this gets really messy if he didn't file this paperwork correctly b/c the fruits can be community
i mean the house is his, it's just what the reimbursements become ultimately
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:25 pm to iwasthere
ah, didn't think about that. Well then it would be half of any payments made during the marriage like I said, because the interest is included on paying the separate debt.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:26 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
Everything put into the house after marriage is community property.
it depends on the nature of the property "put into the house"
if he buys the house before marriage and then makes an improvement with inherited (separate) and non-commingled funds, then you're going to have a real tough time arguing that improvement is somehow community
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:27 pm to TheFonz
quote:
I have a piece of property that is family land and inherited. No structures on it. From what I've been told, since I inherited before I was married, the wife has no claim to it if we ever got a divorce.
I am not a lawyer; this is just my understanding. I could be wrong.
unless something weird happens, that should be your property 100% until you sell it or die
however, if you strike oil on it, you have to file certain paperwork to ensure those revenues (or fruits) are separate
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
are you billing these guys?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:31 pm to 777Tiger
no. this shite is complicated. we really need to figure out a better way to separate property from marriages
the issue is that people go into marriages full of optimistic emotion, and not logic, and due to that, they don't plan ahead
*ETA: for example, it's absolute fricking bullshite that fruits of separate property become community property somehow
the issue is that people go into marriages full of optimistic emotion, and not logic, and due to that, they don't plan ahead
*ETA: for example, it's absolute fricking bullshite that fruits of separate property become community property somehow
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:32 pm to BRbornandraised
She would not get half the insurance and interest. She used the house during those times. It will be principle only. I just went through this in Louisiana.
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