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re: Progress of new New Orleans airport
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:13 am to Golfer
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:13 am to Golfer
So if they leave the existing rental car facility in place and they are moving the terminal to the north side, won't that make them further apart? Why would the move the rental facility to the north side too?
Very little of this makes sense to me and the more I hear about it, the less sense it makes.
Very little of this makes sense to me and the more I hear about it, the less sense it makes.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:14 am to EST
Not much of a bump up. I guess I was expecting more.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:15 am to flyAU
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While i despise KC's airport, you get past security in a few mins because of how many checkpoints they have to have because of their horrible design of the airport. Reduce the amount of people going through a single point and you will have happier travelers.
Yeah that airport is weird, but that was nice. DFW has that on a larger scale and it works well.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:23 am to Golfer
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Say you have three checkpoints with 15 employees each. Yet one concourse has 10 flights going out at that time, the second has 4, and the third has 6. The line is going to move slower at the first concourse. But the average wait time would improve with one checkpoint.
If your assumption that all 45 TSA agents would be working the new checkpoint, perhaps your conclusion will be true. More likely, they'll staff the one checkpoInt with 15 agents like they always have and call it a labor "efficiency" as the lines go out into the street. (Probably 25 or 30. No way all 45 man the new checkpoInt.)
Also, when the bomb goes off in the new terminal all the travelers will be crammed into one area, rather than dispersed across three checkpoints. That'll make it efficient for the terrorists, not the travelers.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:24 am to Golfer
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The DOT/FAA basically forced them to build the Rental Car Center.
Are you speaking about the south rental car center? Or a new north one?
Why would they make them build either of them? What was their concern?
ETA: I am a huge fan of the south rental center. Walk to my car from the plane and go.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:41 am to flyAU
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This is not sound logic. The airport has two concourses which you can walk to the other concourse past security. Have two security points opposite each other (like in Indy). It will load balance itself. You never hear "its better to have a single point of failure/bottleneck". Redundancy is a good thing.
Basic line queuing studies indicate that this idea is wrong. Especially when there are multiple lanes open at the single checkpoint.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:46 am to Golfer
What studies would these be?
Like in my Indy compaison, they put two checkpoints across from each other. You can walk across to the other checkpoint if there is a ton of people at one. You can then walk a short walk back across to your concourse.
Look familiar?
Like in my Indy compaison, they put two checkpoints across from each other. You can walk across to the other checkpoint if there is a ton of people at one. You can then walk a short walk back across to your concourse.
Look familiar?
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:51 am to flyAU
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What studies would these be?
See the bottom right.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:55 am to Y.A. Tittle
They should keep the original airport road and have it tunnel under the runway between it and the new terminal. I'm really curious how they are going to use the current airport exit from i10.
ETA: As I read further into the thread I realized they already considered/have a tunnel.
I also think the new renderings resemble Dallas Love Field airport as well, which is extremely efficient.
ETA: As I read further into the thread I realized they already considered/have a tunnel.
I also think the new renderings resemble Dallas Love Field airport as well, which is extremely efficient.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:56 am to White Roach
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If your assumption that all 45 TSA agents would be working the new checkpoint, perhaps your conclusion will be true. More likely, they'll staff the one checkpoInt with 15 agents like they always have and call it a labor "efficiency" as the lines go out into the street. (Probably 25 or 30. No way all 45 man the new checkpoInt.)
I feel like you are misunderstanding what it means to consolidate security checkpoints. It simply means that all passengers will flow through the same corridor rather than having multiple security nodes at different locations.
That doesn't mean you can't create more than one queue depending on how busy the airport is. It just means all of the lines are in the same area, which allows you to make quick adjustments and creates a more cohesive design so that everyone passes through the same concessions area on the other side of security.
TL;DR - You don't need 3 separate checkpoints to have 3 lines
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:56 am to Stevo
Prediction:
The only gates that will be in use daily will be those at the end of the terminals. Also connecting flights will arrive at one end of Terminal A and depart from the end of Terminal B fifteen minutes later.
Bathrooms will be cleaned at the same time regardless of location.
Those lovely newish parking garages will be demolished.
The only gates that will be in use daily will be those at the end of the terminals. Also connecting flights will arrive at one end of Terminal A and depart from the end of Terminal B fifteen minutes later.
Bathrooms will be cleaned at the same time regardless of location.
Those lovely newish parking garages will be demolished.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:57 am to Golfer
I can see how that is a good for retail (see Marshalls), airports dont function that way. You dont wait for the next open security screener, you wait in long joint line to enter into the multiple line scenario which still stalls if someone in front of you is slow. There is no way one mega line is the way to go.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:59 am to flyAU
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There is no way one mega line is the way to go.
Dude there doesn't have to be one line. You can have multiple lines at the same security checkpoint. What is the advantage of separating the checkpoints?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:59 am to cahoots
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cahoots
See Indy map above.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:01 pm to flyAU
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I can see how that is a good for retail (see Marshalls), airports dont function that way. You dont wait for the next open security screener, you wait in long joint line to enter into the multiple line scenario which still stalls if someone in front of you is slow. There is no way one mega line is the way to go.
I'm not talking about specific conveyor belt lines. Once you've committed to that, you're committed. But even that is being improved to use this same idea (see ATL automatic bin lines).
I'm talking about the checkpoints itself. Think of the three current checkpoints at MSY as a register. If one is slowing down (staffing, extra demand for current flights, space, etc.) the other two can't pick up the slack.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:03 pm to cahoots
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What is the advantage of separating the checkpoints?
When you have close to 50 gates per terminal and 5 terminals.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:04 pm to TH03
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When you have close to 50 gates per terminal and 5 terminals.
If DFW was being built today post 9/11 it wouldn't be setup the same.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:08 pm to Golfer
Why? It works great. I love being able to go through security right where my gate is and not all the way down the road.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:10 pm to Golfer
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Golfer
I understand what you are saying about the current terminal. We are talking about a brand new termnal though that they would be able to implement an Indy type setup where you are steps away from either checkpoint. Redundancy is a good thing.
Also in that Indy map, if you have never been there, thats a big atrium with food and shops in between the 2 CP's.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 12:12 pm to Golfer
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If DFW was being built today post 9/11 it wouldn't be setup the same.
Do you think post 9/11 they would be saying "lets make a single checkpoint of hundreds of people"?
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