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re: Pre-Dawn Raid Results in Mobile Police Shooting Armed 16 year old
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:49 am to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:49 am to EarlyCuyler3
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You're happy a 16 year old got shot?
What do you think the odds are that the 16 yr old had no criminal record and was a productive member of society?
Just curious.
And...
How much weed we talking about? Individually bagged for distribution?
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:51 am to tadman
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This isn't hard. Don't point a gun at the cops.
It's like these people aren't capable of seeing context at all.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:51 am to Elblancodiablo
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16 yr old
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productive member of society
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:51 am to Elblancodiablo
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What do you think the odds are that the 16 yr old had no criminal record and was a productive member of society?
Does that really matter? Sounds like a justification attempt to me.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:52 am to BluegrassBelle
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According to the search affidavit, officers obtained a search warrant for the home after receiving complaints from neighbors about drug activity, even submitting video and photographic proof to law enforcement.
Here is another pretty good reason why these types of raids are a bad fricking idea. Apparently neighbors called the police and complained of drug activity at the home. The cops respond by kicking the door down in a predawn raid and gunning down a 16 year old. It is very likely that the folks in that neighborhood will probably think long and hard about calling the police and reporting crimes in the future. And the police bemoan the fact that the policed do not trust them and will not admit to being a witness to anything. Again, there is nothing positive that could possible come from a raid such as this which will balance out the possible harm that often results. I get that it makes some people feel better knowing the state is exerting its power over the powerless but I will guarantee you when that power is visited upon them they will whine and snivel like the bitch they are...
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:52 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Now flip this around. Imagine what would've happened if a couple uniforms showed up. You'd probably have a dead cop.
right because that outcome is so much worse than a dead kid.
The 16 year old "kid" was pointing a gun at a policeman. We presume in our society that if you point a gun (or even something that looks like it) that you are about to use said gun to end the life of the person it is pointed at.
There's no coming back from that.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:53 am to EarlyCuyler3
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It's like these people aren't capable of seeing context at all.
So explain under what "context" a cop gets a gun pointed at him and doesn't shoot the person pointing it at him?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:53 am to oogabooga68
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So explain under what "context" a cop gets a gun pointed at him and doesn't shoot the person pointing it at him?
Dear God you're stupid.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:54 am to AwgustaDawg
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I suspect this is true. The average cop, in my experience, is just doing a job. The SWAT types make that job infinitely more difficult as does the gung-ho knock 'em in the head cop. The problem with the current state of policing in the US is the swat type and the knock 'em in the head type are what a loud portion of society expects. That segment of society does not care about guilt or innocence, victims, crime, nothing...all they care about is arrests and convictions and increasing the misery of largely low income people in the US to satisfy their twisted sense of revenge.
I don't disagree
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:54 am to Elblancodiablo
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What do you think the odds are that the 16 yr old had no criminal record and was a productive member of society?
Just curious.
Are only people you consider to be "productive members of society" privy to due process in this country? That seems like an awfully slippery slope depending on who is running our LEOs on any given day.
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You're happy a 16 year old got shot?
What do you think the odds are that the 16 yr old had no criminal record and was a productive member of society?
Just curious.
And...
How much weed we talking about? Individually bagged for distribution?
Well, they charged him with possession but did not charge him with distribution. If they were bagged for distribution and scales were present, my guess is they would have charged him for distribution.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:55 am to BluegrassBelle
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It's an issue when shoddy police work results in the death of someone, whether they're a "thug" or not. Because it means there's a solid likelihood that they frick up at some point and kill someone that's innocent.
So the "thug" is still someone in the neighborhoods child, their friend, their neighbor. It is unlikely any of those people left behind after the "thug" will come away with a positive attitude about interacting with the police. That does not prevent the police from bemoaning the fact that folks won't help them fight crime.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:55 am to Boss13
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why did a 16 year old kid have to die?
Because he pointed a loaded weapon at the cops.
Have an adult read and explain the story to you.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:55 am to tadman
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If what they were looking for was not in the house, why did a 16 year old kid have to die?
From the news
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16 year old pointed a laser sighted pistol at police and at least one officer opened fire
This isn't hard. Don't point a gun at the cops.
Okay, so I just want to get your viewpoints down correctly. I'm genuinely asking for your input on the following points.
You believe:
1: The police were completely justified conducting a 3am warrant on a house not owned by the person they were looking for. The house also had children in it, potential collateral damage
2. There was no reason to wait for a more opportune time or place to arrest one person who's friend's neighbors complained about the noise and smell.
3. There was no safer option for everyone involved
4. It doesn't matter if the 16 year old may or may not have known it was the police breaking down his door before acting on his constitutional right to defend himself. He deserved to get shot for defending his household.
5. Finding a dimebag of weed makes everything above okay.
Do I have that right?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:56 am to Elblancodiablo
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What do you think the odds are that the 16 yr old had no criminal record and was a productive member of society?
This post reeks of freedom and small govt.
So we should thank the police for killing people that could have a record but aren't wanted for any crime?
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:56 am to Elblancodiablo
quote:how about you just tell us the number that was taken off the streets to make it a wash on the 16yo's life?
How much weed we talking about? Individually bagged for distribution?
It's easy to point out other segments of the population not value by life
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:58 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Dear God you're stupid.
I figured you'd pass on trying to explain your post .....
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:59 am to Townedrunkard
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Sounds like you speak from experience. How are you still alive when they broke your door down and yiu defended yourself? Mustve been a miracle.,
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:59 am to BluegrassBelle
The actual discussion from this is SWAT raids for shite like this is idiotic.
Busting down a door and yelling “police” doesn’t mean the person you’re raiding believes you. Hell, it looks like a blueprint for someone to do a home invasion. Just yell “police” and your victim will hesitate.
The only time shite like this makes sense is when you’re raiding actual bad guys who are going to shoot you whether you say police or not.
Busting down a door and yelling “police” doesn’t mean the person you’re raiding believes you. Hell, it looks like a blueprint for someone to do a home invasion. Just yell “police” and your victim will hesitate.
The only time shite like this makes sense is when you’re raiding actual bad guys who are going to shoot you whether you say police or not.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:59 am to Boss13
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No you don't.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:00 am to BluegrassBelle
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There's video apparently that won't be released until its reviewed by a Grand Jury, so I'm guessing we'll find out then whether they actually announced. I haven't read anything that says it was a no-knock.
It will be sealed after the grand jury, regardless. No one will know unless this goes to a trial, which I very much doubt it gets there.
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