re: POS cop begs judge for mercy at sentencing

Dude is a POS for sure with anger issues. Should have muzzled that lady if she was hitting a nerve. Also funny that she was on the stand with her alligator tears talking about her huge disfigurement.

I said auditors because many of them teach that an officer is required to give reasonable suspicion to them and they are wrong. I wasn’t arguing they are usually committing a crime. It is not true that the courts say you have to give someone reasonable suspicion if they haven’t committed a crime. That makes no sense. The requirement is that in order to detain and require ID in states that are stop and ID states, an officer must have reasonable articulable suspicion. There is no requirement the suspect gets to hear it in the moment.

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There is one that tries to pick fights so he can get roughed up and sue the department. He got called out during one of them by a cop saying are you just looking to get paid again? Those 1st amendment auditors are massive douche bags

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If cops know the law and enforce the law there is no reason them to get upset at most of the auditors I see.

Yes, you have the right to get here and to film. No I do not need your ID nor need to talk to you.

Have a nice day.

Do this and all is good and the videos are boring

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It goes way beyond auditors. There was the recent case of a cop assaulting and arresting an employee simply waiting on a bench for his ride. The cop asked to see his ID, the guy asked what crime he was commiting, the cop immediately went apeshit and assaults the guy.

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Yea I’m mainly just responding to the initial post that police have to give RAC to the person in the moment. I do think it’s a good idea to do so. I’m not familiar with the case you’re talking about it so I won’t comment. None of what I’m saying is at all condoning assault.

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The cop lost his shite in jail to a woman who was not a cooperative or compliant detainee, and he should have been fired. And pleading no contest, he automatically gets a felony on his record which fricks him. I don't think 6 months for that, given all the context, was lenient. I would have given him the 11 days time served, you can't be a cop, and you are now a convicted felon. That's a lot of punishment for a one-time frickup, without additional jail time.

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Honestly I'm not sure what people want him to have done there. Jail isn't a fun place. If you don't comply in jail, the police have to make you comply. She was stupid to lock her legs as he's trying to force her to sit down. What is he supposed to do? Wait till she decides compliance is convenient for her?

We already have a problem finding people to work in jails and prisons. Rulings like this are going to make that problem much worse.

Yea I hear you. You are wrong though. You’re referring to courts saying that yes the cops violated rights if there was no reasonable suspicion. I never claimed that doesn’t exist. However, the cop has to provide that evidence in court, not on the street.

You are wrong about there being no stop and ID states. In fact, when you are watching first amendment auditors, you are usually watching them in stop and ID states. And the surpreme court has decided that these state policies do not violate the 4th amendment IF the officer has reasonable suspicion. Ironically, auditors usually know this and that’s exactly why they are asking for it.

You were out of your depth and talking about things you have heard. Now you have been told the truth and don’t like it. No one moved the goalpost. From the beginning I said there is no requirement to give RAS on the street. I am right and you are wrong. You are also wrong about stop and ID states. You can stay believing wrong things or you can learn from this and argue better next time.

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They probably should have just tased her. Then set her down.

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I guess. Not sure how that's different in this case, but would have probably protected him from catching charges.

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quote:Business' confront them then call the cops. Cops respond, ask them what they are doing, and can I see your ID? Almost everyone them repeats the same thing. Am I being detained? Yes. Then hits the cop with R A S, you have to have reasonable articulate suspicion that I've committed a crime or about to commit a crime.

I have no issue with this

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Same. They’re participating in an activity well within their rights.