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re: Police shoot man in Fresno... bodycam footage
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:58 pm to slackster
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:58 pm to slackster
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Man, watching that I can't help but get the feeling that the last two shots had more to do with the fact that he was still alive and less to do with any perceived threat. Once they decided to shoot him twice, I think his death was the only thing that was going to satisfy their "fear".
Your ignorance towards real world scenarios is astounding and tiresome in these cop threads. It truly blows me away how you feel like a cop can be perfect and how you think cops should be ignorantly trusting of people that don't listen to them.
The cops lives are on the line, they had guns drawn and the guys didn't listen to basically anything they asked.
Do you really think that because someone has a rifle that there is 0% chance that they can't also have a handgun? Is that worth risking your life over? That's what you are saying.
It's our job as citizens to diffuse any and all situations with the police as much as it is their job. Both of our lives are on the line. The cops don't look perfect here, but that was suicide by police without a doubt. Just accept that people are stupid around cops.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:58 pm to tduecen
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It turned out Noble, who was white
Nothing to see here. Not sure why the thread hasn't been whacked.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:59 pm to Salmon
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they obviously felt he was still a threat with the way he was moving and still reaching for his pants/pockets
If that's the case, they should have been hired by the city to be garbage collectors or dog catchers instead of cops.
A trained police officer should be able to clearly see once that kid rolled over he was done as a threat and instead of continuing to shoot, take him into custody without anyone having to die.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:59 pm to Salmon
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they obviously felt he was still a threat with the way he was moving and still reaching for his pants/pockets
Watching that video do you really think he's a threat when he's lying on the ground sluggishly moving his arms up and down his torso?
It doesn't even look like he's going for his pockets. His hands go down, then up, then down... if he's going for his pocket then why does he move his hands back up his body? The dude wasn't going for anything... he was dying.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:59 pm to Salmon
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did they know this? cause they seemed pretty surprised when they saw it
Thats the whole reason they were called to the store
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obviously...so why compare?
Im not comparing, I asked "Why wouldn't one officer rush and and detain him while the other officer covered him? Isn't that what they are trained to do?"
you asked "are they?
if he is assumed armed do they rush him?"
my response was, "BRPD did"
I dont see that as comparing.
However, if BRPD could rush in and take Sterling down under the assumption that he had a gun, I dont see why these officers couldn't rush in on the kid that was already shot twice and showed no sign of aggression nor was he grabbing for a gun.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:02 pm to Salmon
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but watching the video is different from being there, no?
In this case... no. At no point do those officers even have a trace of fear in their voices. At no point do they even move back away from him. At no point after he's shot the first time does the guy make any quick or sudden movements.
His movements remind me of the way someone moves after they've just been knocked out... the way his arms were sort of involuntarily moving up and down his body very slowly.
They weren't scared of him when he was on the ground.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:04 pm to Salmon
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probably right, but watching the video is different from being there, no?
Yes, but does it matter? I'm not being a smartass, that is a serious question. In a calm and collected viewing of the events we believe it was unnecessary. Does being worked up with adrenaline remove any culpability, either criminally or civilly?
Sort of like the Minnesota situation. I don't doubt that the officer was worked up and scared, but does that make it okay when you make a mistake?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:05 pm to terd ferguson
A case of cop assisted suicide....
"I hate my life" should a clear indicator.
"I hate my life" should a clear indicator.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:11 pm to baldona
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Do you really think that because someone has a rifle that there is 0% chance that they can't also have a handgun? Is that worth risking your life over? That's what you are saying.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying they should not have feared for their lives after shots 1 and 2. Hell, I'm actually saying that they didn't fear for their lives.
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Your ignorance towards real world scenarios is astounding and tiresome in these cop threads. It truly blows me away how you feel like a cop can be perfect and how you think cops should be ignorantly trusting of people that don't listen to them.
You don't need to be perfect, but a little accountability when you have the authority to take a person's life would be nice to see. Is that really so ridiculous? I'd argue that when you're given the authority to end a life it is implied that you should be held to a higher standard.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:11 pm to Count Chocula
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A case of cop assisted suicide....
"I hate my life" should a clear indicator.
That still doesn't justify a point blank shotgun blast to a guy laying on the ground with 3 bullets already in him. Like Turd just said, his movements were not those of a threat, his movements were those of someone dying.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:12 pm to Count Chocula
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A case of cop assisted suicide.... "I hate my life" should a clear indicator.
And that makes it okay?
Q: Did you feel threatened as he lay on the ground?
A: Nah, but he wanted us to kill him, so we obliged.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:21 pm to Scooba
Crazy police shoot first ask questions later. Maybe he had intolerable pain from his back, maybe he didn't understand them, there are million reasons he could of had his hand behind his back, we'll never know because police killed him and then as he's dying they keep shooting.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:23 pm to Count Chocula
quote:bullshite
A case of cop assisted suicide....
"I hate my life" should a clear indicator.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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That still doesn't justify a point blank shotgun blast to a guy laying on the ground with 3 bullets already in him. Like Turd just said, his movements were not those of a threat, his movements were those of someone dying.
As someone that's been in the military and been around guns you really surprise me. The guy didn't listen, if he'd of simply stopped moving his hands for 5 seconds he'd be alive.
You know darn well how easy it would be for one cop to holster his gun and walk up to the perp to grab his arm to restrain him, and the perp pulls a pistol and kills him. That would take 1/2 second.
That dude was acting stupid and not listening, theres no way I'd holster my gun in that situation. They tried to get him to stop moving after the first 2 shots, if someone still does not obey IMO that means they are more likely to try and hurt you still than they are to not do anything.
If you don't want to get shot when the cops have a gun on you, stop moving and listen to them. If you don't, you risk being shot. It really is that simple.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Crazy police shoot first ask questions later. Maybe he had intolerable pain from his back, maybe he didn't understand them, there are million reasons he could of had his hand behind his back, we'll never know because police killed him and then as he's dying they keep shooting.
I don't think they had any choice but to shoot him when he had his hand behind his back and approached them. I'd have shot him if it were me in that situation.
That should have been the end of the shooting though. Once he was down, they did not need to keep shooting him, especially a point blank range blast from a fricking shotgun.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:32 pm to baldona
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As someone that's been in the military and been around guns you really surprise me. The guy didn't listen, if he'd of simply stopped moving his hands for 5 seconds he'd be alive.
So because he was in the military he should blindly defend the actions of every cop? He makes great points in this thread.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:33 pm to baldona
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As someone that's been in the military and been around guns you really surprise me. The guy didn't listen, if he'd of simply stopped moving his hands for 5 seconds he'd be alive.
You know darn well how easy it would be for one cop to holster his gun and walk up to the perp to grab his arm to restrain him, and the perp pulls a pistol and kills him. That would take 1/2 second.
That dude was acting stupid and not listening, theres no way I'd holster my gun in that situation. They tried to get him to stop moving after the first 2 shots, if someone still does not obey IMO that means they are more likely to try and hurt you still than they are to not do anything.
If you don't want to get shot when the cops have a gun on you, stop moving and listen to them. If you don't, you risk being shot. It really is that simple.
This post tells me you've never been around or seen someone who just encountered any life threatning trauma like having two bullets pumped into their gut. I say that because if you had, you'd know this guy's movements are not some threat and instead are the movements of someone going into shock and dying.
and like the guy you quoted, I was in the military and have been and continue to be around guns every day of my life.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:38 pm to Darth_Vader
First two shots are legit. Last ones, not so much in my opinion. They will however explain the last two shots from point blank range away with the time tested mantra, "I was in fear of my life"
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:40 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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First two shots are legit. Last ones, not so much in my opinion. They will however explain the last two shots from point blank range away with the time tested mantra, "I was in fear of my life"
Were I a betting man, I'd put my money on the DA clearing these cops for that very reason.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 4:47 pm to baldona
After watching that video, do you really believe that those cops couldn't have cuffed that guy after shooting him the third time? I've always heard that police shoot to "eliminate the threat". To me, that guy didn't appear to be much of a threat to anyone anymore. He was on his way out.
If the first cop had rapid fired an entire mag at the guy, he'd probably have less explaining to do than he will now. There were several seconds between the two shots that knocked the perp down and his third. Then a few more seconds before the shotgun blast. That guy is probably going to get the most shite.
Alton Sterling was still moving his arms when the BRPD cop pulled the pistol out of his pocket, but it was obvious he was already on the approach ramp of the Rainbow Bridge. It wasn't necessary to shoot him some more just because his arms were moving around in slow motion.
If the first cop had rapid fired an entire mag at the guy, he'd probably have less explaining to do than he will now. There were several seconds between the two shots that knocked the perp down and his third. Then a few more seconds before the shotgun blast. That guy is probably going to get the most shite.
Alton Sterling was still moving his arms when the BRPD cop pulled the pistol out of his pocket, but it was obvious he was already on the approach ramp of the Rainbow Bridge. It wasn't necessary to shoot him some more just because his arms were moving around in slow motion.
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