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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:25 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:25 pm to JesusQuintana
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taser
yes
Didn't they taser him?
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:26 pm to dsides
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I don't think anyone is arguing this point. I think the point being made is it's not as simple as a guy walking towards his car with him hands up and he gets shot. There is just more to the story here and people want to rush to judgement on both sides vs. waiting for ALL of the facts to come out.
Right, I like to see all of what comes out of this.
I still hope they can learn from this. Even if this was justified. I hate seeing fatal outcomes.
If you are fully capable and aware then I absolutely agree it's not worth giving a cop a hard time.. even if it means you are making yourself out to be a pansy.. or whatever some hardass might think.. So what.. it's not worth it standing up to them.. It's not likely to end well.. the more compliant the better a chance you'll be on your way with your life.. They may even drop the potential charge on you.. Sometimes possible.. if you are nice.
However, certain situations could mean someone isn't as easy to comply and it doesn't mean they have ill intent.. so I hope they continue to learn and explore ways to deal with such situations without such fatal outcomes. I am not saying I have the answers. and I don't want to be too critical.. especially of what I know nothing of! I WONDER in this situation if they should have just went directly for him the moment he continued to back away.. just take the opportunity.. they seem to have a 2 on 1 there with another 2 on the way.. I dunno though.. you saw what happened with the Alton crap. That's why I don't want to be too critical.
I guess my human net idea for those who don't comply isn't very ideal.. they may miss..
Trying to come up with some sort of alternative. I know tasers aren't always effective.. although I do like the idea of them if needed.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:26 pm to TJGator1215
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The possession of narcotics or even use of narcotics doesn't justify the killing of an unarmed man with his hands up.
Holy frick. How many times do we have to tell you people that no one is making the point that he should've been shot simply for possessing or being under the influence of drugs?
It's like some of you people live on another goddamn planet.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:27 pm to tgrbaitn08
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have you ever seen an instance where someone high on PCP engaged in the cops ends without a confrontation?
Yes. PCP reactions vary and most aren't violent, crazy encounters. It's an anesthetic, side affects vary greatly.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:27 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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why would police have him retrieve his ID when it is safer for one them to do it.
why would police ask him to retrieve his info from a vehicle that is about to blow up?
or maybe their was nothing wrong with the car at all and he was trying to get in the car to run from the cops because he was on PCP.
or maybe he was trying to get in the car to get a gun
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Finding out he was high after the fact doesn't change the fact they didn't really have a reason to detain him.
yeah people on PCP act rationally.
Its like i said yesterday. Dude was whacked out his mind. car is probably fine and was operable. this explains his Chris Farley parking job.
so you all are gonna assure me he was calm and collected with the cops.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:28 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You're an angry elf.
Have you seen the way Santa treats his elves? You'd be angry too.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
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or maybe he was trying to get in the car to get a gun
Per the police, there was no gun except the one's drawn on the guy
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Yes, they did taser him. According to reports I've read he was shot at essentially the same moment he was tasered.
Which goes to my point that she did not allow for proper administration of non lethal force. Disagree?
Which goes to my point that she did not allow for proper administration of non lethal force. Disagree?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
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All they knew at that point was his car wasn't functional...
wasnt it or was he just so high that he thought it wasnt functional?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:30 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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yeah people on PCP act rationally.
Its like i said yesterday. Dude was whacked out his mind. car is probably fine and was operable. this explains his Chris Farley parking job.
so you all are gonna assure me he was calm and collected with the cops.
From the video I watched he never really talked to them. Perhaps I missed that?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:31 pm to PsychTiger
Wondering if this isn't another case of someone accidentally drawing a firearm instead of a taser.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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PCP reactions vary and most aren't violent, crazy encounters. It's an anesthetic, side affects vary greatly.
ok
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No, but I'd say that busts a few arguments made in this thread. It also makes it far from an open and shut cas
Nah. I think most reasonable people that watch that video will admit she messed up and I'm guessing will be held accountable I just think the introduction of the PCP, if he's proven to be under the influence, will explain why she might have been on edge and panicked. Just a crap situation all around for all involved.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:32 pm to JesusQuintana
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Which goes to my point that she did not allow for proper administration of non lethal force. Disagree?
I don't know how long was in between, that would be pretty important. I have seen they were very close, but nothing concrete on time.
However, if they were fired pretty much at the same time, then yes I would agree she did not allow adequate time.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Per the police, there was no gun except the one's drawn on the guy
per the facts, the police didnt know that at the time
god damn some of you people
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:33 pm to upgrayedd
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Upgrayedd
Vintage
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Per the police, there was no gun except the one's drawn on the guy
Yes, but they can't possibly know this at the time. Not a justification, but at that point, there can still be suspicion he was going for a weapon in the car.
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Wondering if this isn't another case of someone accidentally drawing a firearm instead of a taser.
This is my leading belief as well.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wondering if this isn't another case of someone accidentally drawing a firearm instead of a taser.
Most PD's have a setup where the tazer is on the opposite side of the belt from the gun and in a crossdraw configuration. I can't see how you could mistake the two.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:33 pm to tgrbaitn08
Do you disagree? I mean, not every person who has used the drug ends up on an episode of cops.
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