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re: Plane crash in Lafayette
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:49 pm to GeorgePaton
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:49 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:Yes, if he was flying that airplane, he definitely had an instrument rating and had probably been to Flight Safety or a similar training facility for that aircraft. Most aircraft insurance companies require pilots to attend training annually.
Ian Biggs was head of GDS corporate aviation and an experienced pilot. I have to believe he was instrument certified and fully capable to fly that airplane.
quote:Eyewitnesses reports of airplane crashes are notoriously false or misleading. I don’t know how much stock I’d put into those statements.
One of the witnesses reported the airplane was shaking violently (or making a shaking noise) when it crossed above her. Would that be an indication of a damaged engine(s)?
I’m not positive, but if it was an engine failure, it would have just quit running and the props would have gone into “full feather” and not really make any noise.
A “catastrophic failure” and fire is possible, but unlikely. If it was, the NTSB should be able to determine it. They can examine an engine and propeller and determine if it was actually producing power and running or not during impact. Those guys know their shite.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 8:50 pm
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:49 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:
I have to believe he was instrument certified and fully capable to fly that airplane
He was an instrument certified pilot.
Certified doesn’t mean proficient though. I’m not saying he was or wasn’t, but proficiency is something instrument pilots have to think about.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:23 pm to phil good
quote:
Then suddenly came back to the left.
Plus it looks like the airplane was falling like a brick. Well maybe not like a brick but a sharp drop nonetheless.
10:20:36 am 850 ft
10:20:52 am 525 ft
So the airplane dropped 325 ft in 16 seconds if my math is right. Yikes!
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:27 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:Thats actually very benign. Not much steeper than a normal descent to landing for that airplane.
So the airplane dropped 325 ft in 16 seconds if my math is right. Yikes!
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:31 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:
So the airplane dropped 325 ft in 16 seconds if my math is right. Yikes!
That is not really that much. 2,000fpm is typical on a passenger flight
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:32 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:
So the airplane dropped 325 ft in 16 seconds if my math is right. Yikes!
If my math is right that doesn’t seem very fast
Eta: 325 ft per sec is 220 mph
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:36 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
happen to be friends with a family member of this guy that is taking this pretty hard. I can only imagine how he and the rest of his family would feel if they read this nonsense.
He was the pilot of a plane that crashed on takeoff. A pilot’s experience and abilities are always part of the initial discussion in these situations. No one crossed the line or said it was the pilot’s fault. They are simply discussing an important element of every air crash investigation.
You need to check your sensitivity dial because you waaay overreacted here.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:45 pm to LSUGrrrl
Unless they find a huge huge smoking gun dont expect a rapid "this was caused by x,y, or z" report by the NTSB. They will release a preliminary report, add factual evidence as found and then release a probable cause/conclusion report. Average time from accident to final findings is about 18 months or more. I'm not a pilot but I do have 30 years in aviation as a licensed A&P mechanic and have been personally involved in a NTSB crash investigation involving fatalities.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:46 pm to BHM
Whole bunch of ignorance going on here. Typical though.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:48 pm to LSUlefty
Pictures and some details to give everyone a reference and better understanding of this tragedy. Conditions at 9:00am Sat were very foggy, local news reported less than .75 mi visibility. More prayers and support sent for all involved. This hits home since my wife use to babysit Danielle, and I'm friends with 2 of the postal workers who work the inside counter
Airport runway is 3,000 yds or 1.7 miles "as the crow flies" to Post Office parking lot
PO with adjacent open field, Walmart is approx. 200 yds away
picture from Post Office parking lot as plane would have approached from just above the trees, barely flying over a large apartment complex. You can see the power lines on Verot School Rd. Those small trees and light pole were taken out upon landing
another parking lot and front of PO view, plane travels from right and makes impact near center of parking lot
impact area, windows blown out, fireball burns on side of PO
not certain where Danielle was parked, as her vehicle rolled over, upside down as she likely crawled out of the passenger side. Truly a miracle
this "pano" pic is a compilation of several screenshots from a video taken by a passer by. From point of impact to fuselage resting spot is approx. 175 yds. The fire burning in right of pic is the overturned vehicle. Fuselage and plane remnants still smoldering with black smoke beyond person in field
Airport runway is 3,000 yds or 1.7 miles "as the crow flies" to Post Office parking lot
PO with adjacent open field, Walmart is approx. 200 yds away
picture from Post Office parking lot as plane would have approached from just above the trees, barely flying over a large apartment complex. You can see the power lines on Verot School Rd. Those small trees and light pole were taken out upon landing
another parking lot and front of PO view, plane travels from right and makes impact near center of parking lot
impact area, windows blown out, fireball burns on side of PO
not certain where Danielle was parked, as her vehicle rolled over, upside down as she likely crawled out of the passenger side. Truly a miracle
this "pano" pic is a compilation of several screenshots from a video taken by a passer by. From point of impact to fuselage resting spot is approx. 175 yds. The fire burning in right of pic is the overturned vehicle. Fuselage and plane remnants still smoldering with black smoke beyond person in field
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:52 pm to Got Blaze
Obviously trying to set down in that big open field.
Almost made it. Very tragic.
Almost made it. Very tragic.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:56 pm to Got Blaze
Viability is better than I imagined. Some of that smoke looks 100ft or better.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:04 pm to Btrtigerfan
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:07 pm to BHM
quote:
That is not really that much. 2,000fpm is typical on a passenger flight
Not really. Maybe for a crossing restriction in a descent but below 10,000 MSL, you are generally between 1,000-1,500 FPM. Below 1,000 AGL, no more than 1,000 FPM and touch down between 300-600 FPM depending on aircraft, weight, and Vref.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:09 pm to Btrtigerfan
Visibility was reported at the airport of 3/4 mile horizontal and 200 feet vertical.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:11 pm to BHM
quote:
That is not really that much
Well at 10:20:52 the altitude was at 525 ft and the rate of descent was 1219 fpm. So every second the airplane was falling 20.31 ft (850-525=325/16=20.31 ft/sec). So if we extrapolate that it would indicate the airplane took just 25.84+ seconds (525/20.31=25.84) to reach the location of the crash site. Not even a full half minute.
I reassert my original statement....that airplane was falling like a brick. I'm no pilot but that tells me we're dealing with a full (catastropic) power failure on this aircraft.
I'll say it.....IMO that aircraft hit something in those clouds.....and it was big enough to disable both engines.
But it's just my best guess.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:13 pm to GeorgePaton
1200 fpm decent is not falling like a brick. Trust me.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:17 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:
GeorgePaton
Not discrediting your point on the engine issues, but the rate of descent is not that bad.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:17 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:
I reassert my original statement....that airplane was falling like a brick.
How fast does a 20 lb brick fall from 525 ft?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:24 pm to tgrbaitn08
32.2’/sec/sec.
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