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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by Tomherman
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:24 pm to
Here comes the boom.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9591 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:40 pm to
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They still haven't released transcripts from the voice recorders or issued a preliminary report.


Today’s press conference was more about the temporary traffic restrictions that are ending soon before the NTSB reports come out. She was pushing for an immediate and permanent change due to how many near misses between helicopters and airplanes took place from 2021 thru end of 2024 that they have noted in investigation which were basically ignored. That allowing those regulations to start back up is too great of a risk, and something permanent would be better than just extending the current temporary restrictions.

I am not sure that she actually spelled out what alternative routes helicopters should use when both of those runways in use and just stated an alternative route needs to be put in place.

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NTSB Board Chair Jennifer Homendy called the location of helicopter Route 4 and the final approach path to DCA runway 33 "an intolerable risk to aviation safety by increasing the chance of a midair collision."

Homendy said that currently helicopters and planes can be as close as 75 feet apart during landing. Between October 2021 and December 2024, 15,214 instances of planes getting alerts about helicopters in close proximity were identified, investigators said.

… The agency recommended that helicopter operations be prohibited on Route 4 between Hains Point and Wilson Bridge when runways 15 and 33 are in use and to designate an alternative helicopter route when Route 4 is closed.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 10:50 pm
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:40 pm to
What kinda boom we talkin?

Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
36927 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:57 pm to
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It was uncovered that 15,214 'near-miss events' of planes getting alerts about helicopters being in close proximity between October 2021 and December 2024.


Mayor Pete was too busy staging maternity shoots and taking bike rides to be bothered by suck nonsense
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 10:44 pm to
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They still haven't released transcripts from the voice recorders or issued a preliminary report


The cvr must be available. Hoover did a live debrief a few hours ago and mentioned that the instructor pilot made the comment seconds before impact to the pilot flying "hey I think ATC wants us to be further left ".

He also did the glide slope calculations for the commercial plane and there would have been less than 80 feet separation between the 2 aircraft. PAT radar altimeter showed the helo approximately 70 feet high and speculation is the commercial jet could have been low on the glide slope because of the short runway 33.

They were too close with zero margin for error. This was a disaster waiting to happen.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 11:28 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155559 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:09 am to
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It was uncovered that 15,214 'near-miss events' of planes getting alerts about helicopters being in close proximity between October 2021 and December 2024.

Well that is……less than ideal. Jesus.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 6:18 am to
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you are a disgusting piece of shite, and shown your true colors in this thread - between what you have said here, and the creepy thread about your neighbors little girl bringing you gifts, you are just a weird, shitty human being.


Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37058 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:25 am to
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The cvr must be available. Hoover did a live debrief a few hours ago and mentioned that the instructor pilot made the comment seconds before impact to the pilot flying "hey I think ATC wants us to be further left ".
That was just one of the tidbits the NTSB shared at the press conference last month. They still haven't released the transcript or recording that would show what communication there was between the instructing pilot who was handling coms with ATC and the pilot flying. Also it would show if they were distracted by their own chatter which could explain why they were so oblivious.
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
395 posts
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:32 am to
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Homendy said that currently helicopters and planes can be as close as 75 feet apart during landing. Between October 2021 and December 2024, 15,214 instances of planes getting alerts about helicopters in close proximity were identified, investigators said.




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