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re: Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:44 am to lsupride87
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:44 am to lsupride87
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“The third dose of the current vaccine is providing quite good protection against deaths, and decent protection against hospitalizations.”
Or, and hear me out on this, Omicron is a much weaker variant than those prior and just doesn't cause the same serious illness. Saying that your booster helps stop serious illness with Omicron is a bit disingenuous at face value.
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:54 am to lsupride87
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The vaccine is not under EUA anymore
Please direct us to where we can get COMIRNATY.
see? I can be a glib prick too!
ETA: Please let me add, full FDA approval aside, dont deflect from the reality that the vaccines, by the FDA, CDC, and Pfizer's own admission are not working anywhere near how they were billed. If you want to blame Trump for that, go ahead. IDGAF, but the vaccine is clearly not working to stop the spread of COVID-19, and perpetual compulsory vaxxing is not a strategy.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:55 am to crazy4lsu
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Because pathophysiologies are not neatly delineated. There are situations where labeling someone as a 'death from COVID' is wrong (like accident casualties), but in clinical terms it isn't as easy as you guys are insisting.
But, obviously qualified people like yourself can draw some reasonable lines.
Let me ask you this.
How many patients have you seen die as a direct result of Omicron?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:00 am to moneyg
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How many patients have you seen die as a direct result of Omicron?
In my area it doesn't seem particularly deadly at the moment.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:00 am to stout
This whole argument means nothing now that the DARPA papers are declassified.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:04 am to crazy4lsu
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In my area it doesn't seem particularly deadly at the moment.
That's not what I asked. And, it's noted that you are deflecting.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:05 am to moneyg
We've had a few. Not that those deaths would be meaningful to you. Why again are you asking? You want me to lay out all the things they died from?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:07 am to moneyg
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And, it's noted that you are deflecting.
Big time.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:08 am to crazy4lsu
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In my area it doesn't seem particularly deadly at the moment.
Good. We don't need draconian shut down regulations anymore. We can all return to our "Selfishness" of providing a living and life for our families again.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Big time.
Lol.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:11 am to crazy4lsu
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We've had a few. Not that those deaths would be meaningful to you. Why again are you asking? You want me to lay out all the things they died from?
The conversation was drawing a distinction between those that died with COVID vs those that died because of COVID.
My question is how many would you classify as died because of OMICRON.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:11 am to Vacherie Saint
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are not working anywhere near how they were billed
He's stuck on "breakthrough" infections though that's not the case here.
it's not preventing transmission and "breakthroughs" are not rare, they're the norm.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:20 am to moneyg
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My question is how many would you classify as died because of OMICRON.
Almost all of COVID, and the assumption is that they are likely Omicron. Several cases of serious coagulopathies like PE. Had a case of possible Guillian-Barre with COVID which was interesting.
Outpatient we've seen tons of gnarly post-covid effects, including a case today with possible post-covid autoimmune encephalopathy, where the patient had a recent COVID infection. But inpatient, mostly COVID patients, all with comorbidities, which doesn't mean much in reference to American adult populations.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:35 am to crazy4lsu
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Almost all of COVID, and the assumption is that they are likely Omicron. Several cases of serious coagulopathies like PE. Had a case of possible Guillian-Barre with COVID which was interesting.
Outpatient we've seen tons of gnarly post-covid effects, including a case today with possible post-covid autoimmune encephalopathy, where the patient had a recent COVID infection. But inpatient, mostly COVID patients, all with comorbidities, which doesn't mean much in reference to American adult populations.
You evaded the question again.
I asked a simple question. How many deaths have you seen DUE TO OMICRON.
"some", "few", "almost all" do not answer the question. "Of Covid" wasn't an option.
How many "due to" OMICRON?
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:38 am to stout
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Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths.
2..very little
3..reasonable
23..IMMORTALITY
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:39 am to crazy4lsu
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That's generally what we've seen clinically. Far more reinfections than the fall.
With cold like symptoms.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:39 am to moneyg
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You evaded the question again.
I asked a simple question. How many deaths have you seen DUE TO OMICRON.
"some", "few", "almost all" do not answer the question. "Of Covid" wasn't an option.
How many "due to" OMICRON?
unless the hospital is sequencing individual samples, how would he know?
he isn't avoiding your question, moreso than you are asking him a question that he cannot answer
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:42 am to Salmon
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unless the hospital is doing sequencing of individual samples, how would he know?
He would know what the prevalence of OMICRON was over time in his area and when the COVID infection took place. If the person was on a vent for a month, probably not OMICRON. If the person got sick last week, probably OMICRON.
But, we haven't even gotten to those questions because he's unwilling to answer.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:46 am to moneyg
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How many "due to" OMICRON?
I didn't evade anything. You just don't seem to understand the references. Would these people who presented with coagulopathies have died outside of Omicron or COVID? COVID creates hypercoagulable states, which creates thrombosis when combined with prior endothelial injury (which is exceedingly common) and venous stasis.
Again, people who barely understand pathology making this 'with-Covid/'from-Covid' distinction don't seem to understand that systemic infection causes systemic sequalae. We don't partition pathophysiologies like this for any other cause. Why is this distinction meaningful for COVID alone?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:48 am to moneyg
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He would know what the prevalence of OMICRON was over time in his area and when the COVID infection took place. If the person was on a vent for a month, probably not OMICRON. If the person got sick last week, probably OMICRON.
But, we haven't even gotten to those questions because he's unwilling to answer.
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Almost all of COVID, and the assumption is that they are likely Omicron.
again, without sequencing individual samples, one can only assume based on survey stats for the area, and if Omnicron is the dominant strain, you would assume most hospitalizations are Omnicron
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