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re: People with Down's syndrome drinking in a bar
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:45 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:45 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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That's why you can't serve 15 year olds in bars even if they the family is cool with it and isn't allowing the kid to drive. What's the difference?
Do people with Downs not get recognized as adults when they are 18? That’s the difference.
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:45 am to Ted2010
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Oh for frick sake. Why are you being a dumbass on a Sunday morning?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:46 am to CollegeFBRules
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Looks like the OP started the thread while possibly not knowing anyone with Downs. I understand the question, it just feels like the question indicates OP has formed an opinion about this. Just because they have Downs does not mean their life experiences should be limited, especially if family is there watching out for them.
I know people with downs and families with downs and I know there's no way in hell they'd think it is wise to let them drink. If people do it in their own home then fine and let them deal with the consequences.
I guess my question is the legality in regards to the establishment and what state laws are. Maybe in some states it's fine maybe in others you cannot.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:49 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I know people with downs and families with downs and I know there's no way in hell they'd think it is wise to let them drink. If people do it in their own home then fine and let them deal with the consequences.
Just like not all “normal” people are alike, not all DS people are alike.
Like I said, too many unknowns here
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:49 am to CollegeFBRules
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Do people with Downs not get recognized as adults when they are 18? That’s the difference.
In many states they are not legally recognized as adults in the same way. They have guardians or state appointed guardians and in many states they cannot enter in some legal contracts or are prohibited from driving or operating motor vehicles.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:49 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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and I know there's no way in hell they'd think it is wise to let them drink.
Why? Based on what?
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I guess my question is the legality in regards to the establishment and what state laws are.
I am going to put money on you can’t refuse service to a person with Downs based on the fact that they have Downs. And that’s not even what this discussion is based on. OP said they witnessed the mom buying the drinks.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:50 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Yeah, there is the age, but in many states you cannot serve alcohol to people who are visibly drunk or intoxicated or not in full comprehension of their facilities.
That's why you can't serve 15 year olds in bars even if they the family is cool with it and isn't allowing the kid to drive. What's the difference?
Is this a troll thread...
There is a difference between serving a 15 year old and someone who is 'mentally disabled' and 21.
So should a bar not serve someone who is on anti-depressants? Pain pills? Hell just coming in pissed off about their old lady/man?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:50 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Some Downs people are highly functioning in society. I see no reason they can’t drink if they’re of age.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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In many states they are not legally recognized as adults in the same way. They have guardians or state appointed guardians and in many states they cannot enter in some legal contracts or are prohibited from driving or operating motor vehicles.
This is factually untrue, especially in regards to driving if they pass the state tests. Those laws are intended to protect them from being taken advantage of, not to prohibit them from participating equally in society.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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prohibited from driving or operating motor vehicles.
So they can't drive a car drunk. You are killing your own view.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:53 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Downs people can comprehend. It's not like they are vegetables.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:53 am to Ralph_Wiggum
How many beers is that in Down's beers?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:54 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Maybe they enjoy the taste of beer? One or two won't kill them. A lot of people with developmental disabilities are high-functioning and they deserve to have fun, too.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:54 am to CollegeFBRules
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OP said they witnessed the mom buying the drinks.
Yeah it was the mom who bought the drinks. As I said what they do at home is their business, just wondering what the state laws are if you have to be a legal adult to buy alcohol and not recognized as someone who at over 18 is not recognized as an adult due to mental disabilities.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:54 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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What about people with developmental disabilities?
They should never be allowed to enjoy life’s little pleasures. Never, ever, ever. They aren’t like us.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:54 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Let the dude have his beer in peace and try to have a sense of normalcy without your judgmental stares. Jeez.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:54 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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In many states they are not legally recognized as adults in the same way. They have guardians or state appointed guardians and in many states they cannot enter in some legal contracts or are prohibited from driving or operating motor vehicles.
Much like autism, down syndrome is a mosaic/spectrum disorder which presents with a wide range of cognitive ability. In fact, severe cognitive impairment is pretty rare among those who have it, and most people with down syndrome have only a mild cognitive impairment.
Put another way there are people with down syndrome who mostly likely have a higher IQ than the dumbest people you went to high school with.
Source: I give IQ tests for a living
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:55 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:56 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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who at over 18 is not recognized as an adult due to mental disabilities.
You keep saying this shite, and it’s not true.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 10:56 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Retards can drink with a guardian.
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 10:59 am
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