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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:35 am to TackySweater
Gas station stops. Is that out of line?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:38 am to TackySweater
This may be the car of the future, the Stanley Steamer...
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:48 am to dr
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most people I know that have purchased EV's are teachers or admins in colleges. they can charge for free (not really, tax money) while at work. The get texted during the day to move their cars around, grab a fresh coffee while doing that, and probably do 2 less hours a day then all those who drive to work in their ICE's and STAY IN the office
This is a new one. So ICE is superior to EV because people with ICE vehicles work more each day. Hail corporate, I guess?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:50 am to SantaFe
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This may be the car of the future, the Stanley Steamer...
Fun fact: electric vehicles pre-date the Stanley Steamer.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:51 am to Korkstand
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Gas station stops. Is that out of line?
Yea 5-10 minutes is absurd. It takes me about 60 seconds to fill up. Let’s say people with a bigger tank go to 2 minutes. Nobody stopping for just gas is taking anywhere near 10 minutes.
14 gal fuel tank is about the average. 25 mpg (which may be on the low side). Once a week is a little much too with all the fuel saving technology out there. So let’s say every 10 days.
73 minutes per year spent getting gas.
I’m sure most people don’t plug their cars in every night. Although why wouldn’t you in case of possible emergency? But let’s say you plug in at home every 3 nights (and make zero stops on the road to charge). 10-15 seconds to plug your car in. That’s 20-30 minutes spent plugging in your car.
So like I said, what will you do with those whopping number of minutes you save per year?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:28 am to TackySweater
A little data for your math that i'm too lazy to do on my own right now.
-US limits gas stations to 10GPM i believe, with the average being more in the 6-8GPM range observed not pump rated.
-Mean refuel time is 9.33 days between stops.
- eta clarification, this would be if you always went from completely empty to full, which isn't realistic of course.
-Don't forget to add in any loss of route optimization, time to get the pump setup (answer the loyalty question, process your card, verify zip, you sure you don't want to join our loyalty program?, pump starts but psych not really reset the handle lock)
All that is to say 5 minutes is perfectly reasonable and probably within the first st dev.
-US limits gas stations to 10GPM i believe, with the average being more in the 6-8GPM range observed not pump rated.
-Mean refuel time is 9.33 days between stops.
- eta clarification, this would be if you always went from completely empty to full, which isn't realistic of course.
-Don't forget to add in any loss of route optimization, time to get the pump setup (answer the loyalty question, process your card, verify zip, you sure you don't want to join our loyalty program?, pump starts but psych not really reset the handle lock)
All that is to say 5 minutes is perfectly reasonable and probably within the first st dev.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:37 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:30 am to TackySweater
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It takes me about 60 seconds to fill up.
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Let’s say people with a bigger tank go to 2 minutes.
quote:More people stopping for 10 minutes than the 1 minute you estimate.
Nobody stopping for just gas is taking anywhere near 10 minutes.
Hit a stopwatch the moment you pull into the lot and the moment you leave. It'll be 5 minutes easy. It takes 30 seconds just to pull up to a pump and swipe the card before you even start pumping. Pumps are limited by law to 10 gpm so a typical stop for me is 2 minutes of pure pumping at max rate, but of course few pumps actually pump that fast. Then you have to dribble the last drops and hang it up, maybe grab a receipt, get going again, etc.
It's 5 minutes bro, not 1.
quote:Uh no, we're not saying every 10 days. Average miles driven is 14k, and using your 25mpg that's 560 gallons. And then if we run that 14 gallon tank to the last drop every time that's 40 stops per year minimum, which works out to every 9 days. But nobody runs it to E every time. Once per week is pretty typical.
14 gal fuel tank is about the average. 25 mpg (which may be on the low side). Once a week is a little much too with all the fuel saving technology out there. So let’s say every 10 days.
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73 minutes per year spent getting gas.
Not even close man. Seriously, use the stopwatch on your phone and see how long it takes for you to get gas, starting when you enter the lot to when you leave. Then see how often you really fill up. Guarantee it's about 4 hours per year, and that's even being generous by not counting the extra time you have to drive out of your way to reach the station.
quote:If it takes you 15 seconds to plug in your car then how the frick are you filling your car with gas in only 60 seconds? Even if your estimate is for plugging and unplugging together, that leaves you only 45 seconds of pumping your tank which is an absolute max of 7.5 gallons in the US (but more realistically maybe 5 gallons). And if you're stretching those 7.5 gallons for 10 days, with the average being 38 miles driven per day, you're getting about 50 mpg.
I’m sure most people don’t plug their cars in every night. Although why wouldn’t you in case of possible emergency? But let’s say you plug in at home every 3 nights (and make zero stops on the road to charge). 10-15 seconds to plug your car in. That’s 20-30 minutes spent plugging in your car.
If you are not, in fact, getting 50 mpg in your car/truck, then you need to revise some of your figures.
quote:Who knows? I can get a lot done in 4 hours. Regardless, at least we're both being more realistic than the folks who think charging an EV takes many hours of extra time.
So like I said, what will you do with those whopping number of minutes you save per year?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:33 am to TackySweater
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Sure I guess? What will you do with all those extra minutes per year that you save?
Point....
Head.
It's easy to tell who would have owned a horse and carriage vs a car in this thread.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:38 am to TackySweater
Extreme cold and heat relating to ambient temperature, draw on AC, heat, defrost and other accessories ruin battery performance and longevity. Recycling those materials have their limits.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:43 am to Macfly
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Extreme cold and heat relating to ambient temperature, draw on AC, heat, defrost and other accessories ruin battery performance and longevity.
Useful capacity at the moment, yes.
Long term performance, i.e. degradation, no. Other than the minimal amount more it might add to cycles. It's insignificant and range anxiety will do 10X more damage.
quote:We're decades from needing recycling. There's no point in borrowing that problem from the future right now.
Recycling those materials have their limits.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:51 am to TackySweater
It's the mantra of the Democratic Party...keep 'em ignorant and they'll do what we tell 'em!
Amazing how in this woke culture that caused military installations to be re-named, statues to be torn down, public buildings and roads to be re-named, that if does not take into account that the Democratic Party started the KKK and was for slavery. And Joe Biden was a big time bigot that publicly stated that Obama was very articulate and smelled good. We all know what his point was, don't we?
That "pick and choose" philosophy works for them, huh?
Amazing how in this woke culture that caused military installations to be re-named, statues to be torn down, public buildings and roads to be re-named, that if does not take into account that the Democratic Party started the KKK and was for slavery. And Joe Biden was a big time bigot that publicly stated that Obama was very articulate and smelled good. We all know what his point was, don't we?
That "pick and choose" philosophy works for them, huh?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:58 am to billjamin
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We're decades from needing recycling. There's no point in borrowing that problem from the future right now.
Can you explain this thought process?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:06 am to SaintEB
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Can you explain this thought process?
Sure can.
Ev batteries, like all batteries degrade. I'll avoid getting into how the observed degradation of capacity in kWh slows over time because it's a rabbit hole.
Most people think ~70% will be where many people draw the line and the loss of range will drive someone to want to re-power the storage unit. How much range loss you can tolerate is personal though, so that will exist on a spectrum.
When they go in to get a re-power, there is still a significant amount of storage capacity left. Using the Model 3 LR as an example, a 70% capacity BESS will still have 52.5kWh remaining. That 52.5kWh has value, and it's significant. Right now utility scale storage is running about $300/kWh. Thats for newly installed with all the bells and whistles but it illustrates that there is value. So that person that wants to re-power will sell their degraded unit to a company, like B2U has already done, and use them as grid interconnected storage until they're dead, which will take quite a while.
But all of this can't happen until we have degraded units, which are few and far between. This is illustrating the secondary life they will have as they start to go out of service in the next 5-10 years.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:33 am to TackySweater
Narcissism has become the dominate personality trait in the West.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:36 am to BeepNode
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no. they think "I have to get an electric vehicle so I can take off real fast, never have to go to baton rouge gas stations, or have to change the oil again."
hahahahahaha
funny
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:52 am to Oklahomey
quote:Who watches that many commercials nowadays?
I miss the days of non-EV commercials. I’m beyond annoyed with the EV trend, and the commercial content has gotten worse.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:57 am to Eli Goldfinger
I want a Tesla but it’s got zero to do with the environment.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:59 am to MightyYat
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Oh yeah. They’re fricking holier than thou douche bags with no clue where their EV actually comes from nor the power to supply it.
Whats worse?
1. EV owner
2. Crossfitter
3. Vegan
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:01 pm to dgnx6
quote:That's how things goes in today's world.
Lol now you people are just lying.
When you're wrong about something, you just say the other side is lying, and you magically get to think you won your argument.
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