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re: Passenger on an American Airlines flight recorded when a bird struck an engine last night
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:52 am to KCSilverTiger
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:52 am to KCSilverTiger
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I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.
happens all the time
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:58 am to stout
Need to mount a Ranch Hand on front of the engine cowling.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:01 pm to stout
Boeing releases giant sign of relief that it was an Airbus. No more news is good news.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:01 pm to stout
Many years ago, I was on a TI flight between Lafayette and Houston when the plane's wing struck a goose. We made an emergency landing in Lake Charles, and I got to take a look at the damage. It hit about six feet from the end of the wing and put a large hole in the leading edge.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:01 pm to stout
A bird ingested in an engine is better than a bird smacked in the face.
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[/img] Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:02 pm to The Third Leg
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Boeing releases giant sign of relief that it was an Airbus.
Boeing doesn't make the engines, baw
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:09 pm to 777Tiger
Being an aviation enthusiasts, having some knowledge of piston and jet engines, a somewhat frequent flyer and a mechanical engineer I'm pretty sure that I would pick up on the vibration, unusual noises and an engine shutdown. I'm not a nervous flyer and I actually enjoy take offs. I guarantee my ears are going to be focused 100 percent on what follows. Can't do anything about it but once you know something is amiss you can't stop thinking about it.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:11 pm to BogeyTX
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make something that protects the engines from birds?
It could be done but at a massive loss of efficiency. Added weight, added cost, added drag...
The short answer is it would cost far too much fuel and it's more economical to just risk the occasional bird strike.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:12 pm to StanSmith
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I'm pretty sure that I would pick up on the vibration,
it really depends on the scenario, I've shut down an engine and had to divert and not a soul outside of the cockpit(on the jet,) was aware that there was any non-normal situation at all
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:13 pm to stout
How dumb are birds, yo?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:14 pm to 777Tiger
What happens after an engine is shut down mid flight? Does it free-wheel and still make oil pressure or do they have some kind of shaft lock on them? Already locked up so it doesn't matter?
I was always curious about that.
I was always curious about that.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:15 pm to 777Tiger
Maybe a medium flocking bird? Engines are supposed to be able to handle these situations, sounds like it did exactly as it should and the plane was able to land safely. Now cleaning the interior of the engine after a bird strike... different story
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:17 pm to Swoopin
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Did it live?
I hope so. We don’t deserve birds.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:17 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Does it free-wheel and still make oil pressure or do they have some kind of shaft lock on them?
the high bypass blades will still spin, it depends on why the engine was shut down, if it seized, obviously not, but if it were shut down due to decreasing oil quantity/pressure it will still turn
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:25 pm to 777Tiger
Well evidently I don't know enough about how they work. I thought all the blades were on the same shaft.
Do the engines ever stay operable after eating a bird? That's got to mean instant trashed engine, right? I always assumed the bird strike tests on YouTube were to make sure the cowling would contain all the pieces.
Do the engines ever stay operable after eating a bird? That's got to mean instant trashed engine, right? I always assumed the bird strike tests on YouTube were to make sure the cowling would contain all the pieces.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:26 pm to CuseTiger
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cleaning the interior of the engine after a bird strike... different
Its got to be completely trashed, right? I wouldn't think anything internal would be usable after that.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:26 pm to adamau
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What the hell is there to investigate?
When I was still in the AF, they would recover what remains are left to ID the type of bird. They would use this and other data from the flight to find flight/migratory patterns and try to work their flight schedules around them to avoid bird strikes.
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Maybe a dumb question but can this sort of thing be preventable or make something that protects the engines from birds?
When I was in tech school at Sheppard AFB, there were guys that rode around on the flightline in a truck with an air cannon on the back. They would find flocks of bird and shoot it, which made a massive boom and would scare the birds off. At the time I remember thinking that I wish I had that job.
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it really depends on the scenario, I've shut down an engine and had to divert and not a soul outside of the cockpit(on the jet,) was aware that there was any non-normal situation at all
This reminds me of a trip I went on to Vegas for Red Flag. We were carrying some random medical staff with us. About halfway there pilot calls us up and we figure out the prop blew a seal. This automatically triggers an "emergency landing". We push ahead a few hours to Vegas and are greeted by the normal emergency vehicles/personnel. Some of the medical girls looks out the window to see all the fire trucks with lights going and air field vehicles. They asked what the hell is going on. We said "We broke a couple hours ago. The pilot said he'd rather be broke in Vegas than Cannon (hell hole)." The look on their faces was priceless.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:27 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Do the engines ever stay operable after eating a bird?
absolutely
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That's got to mean instant trashed engine, right?
not necessarily, they can take quite a beating
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:27 pm to 777Tiger
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there's a good chance you wouldn't even know if an engine has been shut down
Even if I'm in the window seat and see it on fire?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:27 pm to 777Tiger
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happens all the time
Like you would know. What are you, a pilot?
[sarcasm]
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