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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:08 pm to
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:08 pm to
Yes, just a franchise.
Hard rock to manage.
Other company owns.
Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
779 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:10 pm to
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If I had to guess it could be a shoring/re-shoring related incident either due to some failed steel column/beam connection or a lift accident.

At least up here a lot of shoring/reshoring contractors love to push the envelop in terms of concrete curing because time is literally money to them.




Good thought. Are the upper floors concrete or steel?
This post was edited on 10/12/19 at 6:11 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:10 pm to
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Yes, just a franchise.
Hard rock to manage.
Other company owns.


Five syllables first
Then seven on the next line
Then five for haiku
This post was edited on 10/12/19 at 6:11 pm
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33129 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:22 pm to
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Are the upper floors concrete or steel?


Steel structure with concrete pan slabs
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21689 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:23 pm to
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Good thought. Are the upper floors concrete or steel?


No idea. Someone mentioned steel earlier I think.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19225 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:27 pm to
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I think there was one in the Carrollton Shopping Center around South Carrollton and Palmetto. Had an A&G Cafeteria too I think. Late ‘60s?


I remember that shopping center. There was a Labiches, J.C. Penney, Radio Shack and down the street one of N.O.'s original sporting goods stores in Security Sporting Goods.

That shopping center is now the site of Costco.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76013 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:34 pm to
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Steel structure with concrete pan slabs


Seemed like that was the whole structure.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12431 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:39 pm to
I hear they are warning neighbors about being worried about further failure and possibly wider evacuation
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46178 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:40 pm to
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I agree with you, but I imagine their decision to use Citadel as a contractor puts some liability on them.

holy shite can you read?
they (hard rock) are a franchiser and operator
they did not buy the land, design the building, finance the project or choose the contractor

when/if it is completed they will staff and operate the hotel for a fee (generally a percentage of revenue) plus expenses
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12431 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:43 pm to
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holy shite can you read?
they (hard rock) are a franchiser and operator
they did not buy the land, design the building, finance the project or choose the contractor

when/if it is completed they will staff and operate the hotel for a fee (generally a percentage of revenue) plus expenses


Are they even the operator or just licensing the brands? Many (most?) hotels in the market have ownership, management and branding totally separate... and hard rock would legit just spec out minimum quality experiences for guest experience.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46178 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:44 pm to
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I hear they are warning neighbors about being worried about further failure and possibly wider evacuation

all of those thin concrete slab edges you see in the pictures that are bent over like slices of bread are the primary hazard. They’ll have to be individually removed
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76013 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:46 pm to
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holy shite can you read?
they (hard rock) are a franchiser and operator
they did not buy the land, design the building, finance the project or choose the contractor



Didn't read. Betting they still get sued.

Don't be such a dick, bro. It's a bad look.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46178 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:46 pm to
they grant the owners the use of the hard rock brand in return for a fee and an operating agreement. If in the future the owners decided to change operators they’d have to rebrand as well
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46178 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:48 pm to
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Didn't read

clearly
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Betting they still get sued.

for what?
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:50 pm to
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That shopping center is now the site of Costco.

Forgot about most of all those other stores.
Went to High School at St John Vianney on Palmetto
Haven’t been back in that area since the late ‘60s.
Man I’m getting old. Thanks for the memories!
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76013 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:51 pm to
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for what?


For having deep pockets and being associated.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12431 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:51 pm to
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they grant the owners the use of the hard rock brand in return for a fee and an operating agreement. If in the future the owners decided to change operators they’d have to rebrand as well


I understand how these agreements work, I just wasn’t sure how this property/brand operated specifically.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12431 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:52 pm to
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For having deep pockets and being associated.


They could get named I guess, but their liability is likely incredibly limited, if any at all
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76013 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:54 pm to
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They could get named I guess, but their liability is likely incredibly limited, if any at all


Probably.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46178 posts
Posted on 10/12/19 at 6:57 pm to
just say “I have no idea what I’m talking about” and be done with it
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