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re: OT Parents - how would you handle receiving conflicting medical info from doctors?

Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:07 pm to
I recommend to ask the doctor to change the prescription to Cipro or Bactrim (unless she is allergic to sulfa) first thing tomorrow morning. Those are lower risk than Macrobid.

In the future, use this database to look up whether a medication is okay to take. This is the database the professionals use.

LACTMED database
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:09 pm to
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recommend to ask the doctor to change the prescription to Cipro or Bactrim (unless she is allergic to sulfa) first thing tomorrow morning. Those are lower risk than Macr


You might want to read the FDA link I just posted. Cipro isn’t a drug you want to take unless you absolutely have to.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3632 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:13 pm to
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I would avoid fluoroquinolones (which Cipro is) whenever possible. Especially for something where there are many other antibiotic alternatives. This group of antibiotics has been associated with some really serious, disabling side effects


MSK side effects of cipro have not shown to be significant risks in the neonate or pediatric population. Cipro can be excreted in breaktmilk but is done so at such a low level that it is considered to be safe to take while nursing. You should monitor for GI issues while taking, but discontinuing breastfeeding while on cipro is neither recommended nor is it justified in the literature.

Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:16 pm to
Yeah but the woman isn't on cipro..she is on macrobid.


I'm not talking about the risks of cipro to the baby...but to mom. Why take a med that has possible side effects when there is another med that you can take?

The FDA alert says this class of drug should be avoided when other meds are available. Especially for treating something basic like a UTI.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3632 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:33 pm to
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I'm not talking about the risks of cipro to the baby...but to mom. Why take a med that has possible side effects when there is another med that you can take?


But the mom is breastfeeding. I’m not saying cipro would be my first Rx choice but it is safe for an infant while breastfeeding and your irrational fear of cipro harming the mother is just that. But hey, you’re the doctor...
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:36 pm to
But the mom's doctor prescribed macrobid.

quote:

your irrational fear of cipro harming the mother is just that


Then why is the FDA warning about the use of that class of medications if it is such an irrational fear?

Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1006 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:45 pm to
I'm sure it's a warning on the macro/public health level due to the risk of breeding resistant organisms not a patient specific risk.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 5:47 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146577 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:48 pm to
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I recommend to ask the doctor to change the prescription to Cipro or Bactrim (unless she is allergic to sulfa) first thing tomorrow morning. Those are lower risk than Macrobid.
I am allergic to avelox and augmentin; yet I can take Cipro. I took cipro for a UTI and breastfed and my son is fine.

I understand nurse's concern about cipro. I saw a sudden cipro backtrack warning a few years ago. I asked an MD and he blew the warning off. Cipro is not the best for UTI's but it'll do in a pinch of which I have been in.

This entire thing could go so many ways. I have very good reasons for always second guessing docs and PA's and trusting a pharmacist in this situation...

As a mom who breastfed all of my kids, I would not want to break in the breastfeeding- yet, a UTI could lead to a kidney infection and worse. The OP should call the doctor on call and not listen to 25 pages of opinions in so many variables.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3632 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:54 pm to
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But the mom's doctor prescribed macrobid.


No shite, because the OB isn’t worried about the breastfeeding infant having problems with that particular abx.

But someone suggested other abx that are even less harmful (potentially) to a breastfeeding infant than macrobid. If a physician (for a number of reasons) was concerned with macrobid harming the infant (they should therefore also be concerned with Bactrim) then cipro would be appropriate.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 5:56 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:59 pm to
Sort of. Fluoroquinolones in general aren't that great for UTIs these days because of how often they're prescribed.

E coli (most common uti bug) is less than 70% susceptible to Cipro where I live.

Also, fqs as a class have a lot of adrs and drug interactions. Put those two together and you're really better off using other agents when feasible.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:02 pm to
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I'm sure it's a warning on the macro/public health level due to the risk of breeding resistant organisms not a patient specific risk.




Nope...again from the FDA

quote:

An FDA safety review has shown that fluoroquinolones when used systemically (i.e. tablets, capsules, and injectable) are associated with disabling and potentially permanent serious side effects that can occur together. These side effects can involve the tendons, muscles, joints, nerves, and central nervous system.


I'm not saying I would never ever take these meds. But if I'm prescribed them for something basic...I'm questioning the provider for their rationale and asking if there is a better alternative.

Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:25 pm to
But the OB has someone on call ... I'd call the OB.
Posted by Queen
Member since Nov 2009
3020 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 2:30 am to
I’m currently nursing baby #2. If this med is really only a concern for babies younger than one month and she decides not to breastfeed through it, does she have to dump milk she has pumped? She could just freeze it and use later if the baby is going to daycare or anywhere you will need bottles of pumped milk after one month of age.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29450 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 2:40 am to
Have the OB and pharmacist meet at Sonic. That's the only way to settle this.
Posted by Tiger in the Sticks
Back in the Boot
Member since Jan 2007
1431 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 6:08 am to
Express amd discard milk until finishing medication; your baby will probably not refuse a bottle that young. At one point, they thought thalidomide was safe.
Posted by lilsnappa
Red Stick
Member since Mar 2006
1793 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 6:24 am to
Jesus Christ. This is why you don't come to TD for medical advice.

I think we need to make it a rule that you state your medical training before giving advice...and then rank responses base of weight in this order.

1) MD - specialist in the field of your question
2) MD - Internal Medicine/ Primary Care
3) MD - not specialized in the field of question
4) Physicians Assistant /Nurse Practitioner
5) Nurse in the field of question
6) Nurse in other specialties
7) Pharmacist (only about the drug and dosage)
...
...
...

4759) EVERYONE ELSE


Full disclosure: My wife is Pediatrician with a specialty in Perinatal/Neonatal care. That as hell doesn't make me qualified to give you advice.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 6:28 am
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:39 am to
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7) Pharmacist (only about the drug and dosage)


Considering this question is specifically about the drug, theyre at least 2 and maybe 1a.
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