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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/13/14 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 5:58 pm to
I think they got the anthrax guy, they just can't prove it and it's pissing them off

Or did they finally clear the lab guy after 5 years? Eta: Excluded Hatfield but another guy Irvin, killed himself when charges were brought.

We were in Afghanistan one month after 9/11. So we knew who did it. (Ignoring the conspiracy theories)
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 6:05 pm
Posted by EA6B
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:00 pm to
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Again, I'm not saying it CAN'T be done. I'll repeat myself again. I'm saying it would have to be someone VERY SKILLED in piloting to do so with no navigation at night.


First, my opinion is the plane or its parts are at the bottom of the ocean some where. That being said, and for the sake of intelligent discussion, there are dozens of handheld portable GPS units specifically designed for aviation.

LINK

With one of these guys and the appropriate database for the area of the world you are operating in someone could fly even a 777 to within a few feet of a runway. They could fly a visual approach to the runway assuming the runway was marked with some type of lights. As already discussed, even after towers at controlled airports have closed you can still activate runway lights by keying your radio on a particular frequency. I have landed at BTR in the middle of the night and keyed up the lights myself. One hit of the mic button turns them on, each additional push increases the brightness, there are three brightness levels at BTR.
The specialized skills required to do this in a 777 would be knowing the aircraft systems, approach, and landing speeds, that sort of stuff. Navigating with todays GPS devices is very straight forward, the 9/11 hijackers had portable devices with them which were preloaded with the route to fly them to the trade centers.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 6:16 pm
Posted by EA6B
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:20 pm to
777 airline captain on FOX right now, stating the plane could be flown to a unlighted, unmarked, improvised runway at night using GPS and the plane's auto land capability.
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:22 pm to
So what's the benefit in stealing a plane full of mostly Chinese people?
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:23 pm to
You're forgetting the 20 experts on cloaking technology.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:23 pm to
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So what's the benefit in stealing a plane full of mostly Chinese people?



Lord knows. Perhaps they plan to use it sometime in the future?
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:24 pm to
Ive played enough Flight Simulator X to know you can land a jet basically anywhere
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:25 pm to
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You're forgetting the 20 experts on cloaking technology.


So the plan would be to put them in a hole like Jessie on Breaking Bad and make them work?

Maybe it's a country who wanted them?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:25 pm to
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So what's the benefit in stealing a plane full of mostly Chinese people?


You own personal iPhone production line?
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:26 pm to
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Ive played enough Flight Simulator X to know you can land a jet basically anywhere



But if you want to re-use it you have to land on a runway long enough to take off again.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:28 pm to
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With one of these guys and the appropriate database for the area of the world you are operating in someone could fly even a 777 to within a few feet of a runway. They could fly a visual approach to the runway assuming the runway was marked with some type of lights. As already discussed, even after towers at controlled airports have closed you can still activate runway lights by keying your radio on a particular frequency. I have landed at BTR in the middle of the night and keyed up the lights myself. One hit of the mic button turns them on, each additional push increases the brightness, there are three brightness levels at BTR. The specialized skills required to do this in a 777 would be knowing the aircraft systems, approach, and landing speeds, that sort of stuff. Navigating with todays GPS devices is very straight forward, the 9/11 hijackers had portable devices with them which were preloaded with the route to fly them to the trade centers.


The retired 777 pilot they just had on Fox News said this exact thing.

He said, if he had a GPS waypoint on a 4,000' strip of 100' wide level piece of concrete, he could land a 777 on it in the dark and this pilot could have done the same.

They asked him where you'd find that and he said "all over!" He said "there are strips left over from wars and training strips all over the place that could be used."
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5939 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:28 pm to
That's why you teleport it into the sky and coast until the engines restart

So lets visit the aliens theory on that note. The Chinese are working with extraterrestrials
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109102 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:31 pm to
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They need to relinquish their investigative authority to a more competent governmental entity.


An alpha leader would be able to step in and take control, but not Obeta.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:33 pm to
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the plane's auto land capability.


The freaking plane can land itself?!?

That's really cool. And really scary.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:34 pm to
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The freaking plane can land itself?!?



Most airliners nowadays can land themselves.
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:41 pm to
I'm almost positive you can't perform an autoland with only GPS. ILS (Instrument Landing System installed for the runway) is almost absolutely a requirement. Very few small airports have ILS systems.

LAAS (Local Area Augmentation System) uses GPS and is similar, but again...not at small airports.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 6:44 pm
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:45 pm to
Maybe it's a Payne Stewart flight type of deal and, until shown, the unknown is driving us, or at least me, crazy?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:49 pm to
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Maybe it's a Payne Stewart flight type of deal and, until shown, the unknown is driving us, or at least me, crazy?


This is what I have always assumed and have been really shown/heard nothing to prove otherwise.
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
13908 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:55 pm to
A Payne Stewart thing is possible, but doesn't account for the transponders being turned off. Assuming there was some sort of rapid decompression, the pilots would only have 30 seconds or so to do anything before donning their oxygen masks which makes turning the transponders off pretty strange.

If it was a real Payne Stewart thing and it wasn't they really didn't know it was happening, the transponders being shut off is even weirder.

A massive electrical/backup electrical failure that takes the transponders out makes it seem even less likely that the plane would be flying four hours and still sending info to Rolls Royce.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105188 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:08 pm to
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The retired 777 pilot they just had on Fox News said this exact thing.

He said, if he had a GPS waypoint on a 4,000' strip of 100' wide level piece of concrete, he could land a 777 on it in the dark and this pilot could have done the same.

They asked him where you'd find that and he said "all over!" He said "there are strips left over from wars and training strips all over the place that could be used."




Okay, but as another poster said, you have to be able to take off again, fully loaded.

And, now that satellites are looking at every wide place in the jungle in that part of the world, you need a hangar big enough to hide it. And a tractor to tow it. And a compressor to start the engines. And someone with the tools and training to work on it, because the longer it sits there, the more maintenance it will need. And lots of gas for when you take off again. It would be a very complicated operation requiring a lot of people and resources.

One place in the region that has all the stuff you'd need is Diego Garcia. Maybe we stole the plane.
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