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re: Obesity rates in the US have tripled in just one generation
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:35 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:35 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Because it truly is that simple. Eat less calories than you burn
Again, you are trying to oversimplify the problem.
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:35 am to Street Hawk
Least shocking news I've ever seen.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:35 am to mtntiger
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Fat-shaming is far better for society as a whole than telling a 400-pound land whale that he/she is brave and perfect just the way they are.
They tell them that because the fat ARE society now
I’m skinny shaming people now. It’s hard to trust the weirdly underweight
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:36 am to Street Hawk
We're definitely a fat country but using BMI is BS.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:36 am to lsupride87
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Acting like bread, potatoes, rice etc isn’t filling and satiating is ridiculous
But are they as filling or satiating as something like a steak, calorie for calorie? No.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:37 am to lsupride87
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Well, yeh. Which is why I said then”thin” euro countries. The British countries eat like pigs
What countries specifically? The self-reported obesity rate from those European countries with national health care statistics organizations show that the rate for the entirety of Europe is around 20%. That is a massive percentage of adults.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Death row inmates spend more time outside than the average child.
If you have a population not dependent on government healthcare, big pharma, specialist physicians, hospitals, diagnostic facilities, outpatient surgery centers, huge fast food chains, processed foods and in more control of their own physical, spiritual, mental and behavioral health you have a nation of independent people and the those truly in power in this country want no part of that. It's a threat to their power, control and livelihood. A self sustaining country that doesn't need their tit financially or medically is their biggest fear and they do everything they can to prevent it.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:38 am to lsupride87
I think there are 2 debates here.
One is how to lose 200 lbs.
The other is how to lose 20-30 lbs.
The former simply needs to focus on calorie reduction on the onset then switch to macro and body composition.
The latter can focus on macros and body composition from the start.
Obese people need simplified approaches to be compliant.
One is how to lose 200 lbs.
The other is how to lose 20-30 lbs.
The former simply needs to focus on calorie reduction on the onset then switch to macro and body composition.
The latter can focus on macros and body composition from the start.
Obese people need simplified approaches to be compliant.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:39 am to lsupride87
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Because it truly is that simple. Eat less calories than you burn
Look at the pattern of illness worldwide. Track the trends. Do you think everyone, everywhere is eating too much, regardless of their approach to cuisine?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:42 am to Salmon
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I think there are 2 debates here.
One is how to lose 200 lbs.
The other is how to lose 20-30 lbs.
Obesity has a specific, clinical definition. The evidence indicates that even being overweight puts in you in the category of increased disease risk from the same constellation of illnesses as being obesity.
I cannot stress enough how idiotic it is to individualize a population-wide problem. If that's the solution we focus on, we might as well give everyone phentermine, bupropion, semaglutide and levothyroxine, and just let them have at it.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:42 am to Salmon
quote:Exactly. Antonio and crazy and other physicians like them do a disservice to obese people. It gives them a crutch or confused them by trying to complicate the fact they are 150 pounds overweight because they eat 5k calories a day
Obese people need simplified approaches to be compliant.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:44 am to chalmetteowl
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They tell them that because the fat ARE society now
I still have a copy of a class pic from HS. The people we thought were fat then would be normal today.
Fattest dude was 6-5 x 285 and there may have been 6 people out of several hundred that were overweight.
That dude could beat me in a foot race which isn't anything special, but moved well for a big dude..
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:45 am to lsupride87
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Exactly. Antonio and crazy and other physicians like them do a disservice to obese people. It gives them a crutch or confused them by trying to complicate the fact they are 150 pounds overweight because they eat 5k calories a day
Look, please don't misrepresent my argument. You haven't dealt with it honestly so far, and I have haven't given you what I think the clinical management of obesity should be, which is more robust than your insistence that the management of the illness is strictly and only thermodynamic. I'm suggesting a clinical compliance strategy that deals with the course of the illness as it is for patient populations, which requires compliance strategies that are long-term.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:46 am to Street Hawk
I am not sure if this is already been said but I'm not scanning through eight pages to see, But I heard on a podcast recently that big Pharma wants to get obesity labeled as a disease so they can get insurance companies to pay for medicine that helps with obesity. We think insurance is expensive now just wait till they add that shite
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am to crazy4lsu
The average person isn’t going to come into a physician to get some plan for being obese. The population approach needs to be “eat less calories than you burn”
When one comes into your office you can give them some intellectual interpretation why they wear size 45 pants
When one comes into your office you can give them some intellectual interpretation why they wear size 45 pants
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I still have a copy of a class pic from HS. The people we thought were fat then would be normal today
I remember a few fat kids in school but they were sort of the exception. Probably less than 5-10%
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
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Because it truly is that simple. Eat less calories than you burn
It's simple but it's not easy.
The fact that not all calories are the same creates alot of the confusion and most of that is due to the crap that the FDA allows in our foods that many many other countries ban.
The problem is due to many factors and a caloric imbalance is definitely a basic root but the hows and whys play too big of a part to just be ignored as non factors.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am to crazy4lsu
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Obesity has a specific, clinical definition. The evidence indicates that even being overweight puts in you in the category of increased disease risk from the same constellation of illnesses as being obesity.
I’m fully aware. It’s why I’ve made exercise and healthy eating a priority in mine and my family’s life.
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I cannot stress enough how idiotic it is to individualize a population-wide problem.
Who is individualizing it?
I think most here are talking in pretty generalized terms.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:48 am to lsupride87
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The average person isn’t going to come into a physician to get some plan for being obese.
What?
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The population approach needs to be “eat less calories than you burn”
Again, all the evidence suggests that the thermodynamic component is only one aspect of management.
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When one comes into your office you can give them some intellectual interpretation why they wear size 45 pants
Again, what?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:When babe Ruth was older he was considered really fat
I still have a copy of a class pic from HS. The people we thought were fat then would be normal today.
Here is old babe Ruth
And to show you how morphed society got, here is the actors they got to portray babe
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