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re: Obama administration issues transgender bathroom mandate to all public schools
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:23 am to bamarep
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:23 am to bamarep
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Do any of you proggies want to address why the suicide rate of "trans" people are TEN times that of normal people?
Because of people like you.
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:23 am to Salmon
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how often would this scenario actually happen?
See my stats above. It's hilariously unlikely. Probably have a better chance of getting hit by a meteor while cutting the grass.
This is an issue that BOTH parties will regret taking a stance on. It's impossible to win. Both will lose the PR battle.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:23 am to Salmon
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but my only contention is, is it really something to worry about? should we worry more about this, than say, a pedo in a boys bathroom?
As a parent, I would be concerned about both equally if I had a son, but I only have daughters so that side of the debate has more of my attention.
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how often would this scenario actually happen?
I'm of the mind that we should take all these scenarios into account and make rules so that the outcome is as close to zero as possible.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:24 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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It's a non issue. If you take all registered in the united states, that's .02% of the population of which only an estimated 2.7% will commit another sex crime. That's negligible to the extreme. Any broad laws passed to address a potential problem that small is just STUPID.
How about the percentage of coed high school students that wish they could get into the opposite sexs lockeroom during showertime if only there was a legal way to do it without recourse
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:24 am to Azranod
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I'm of the mind that we should take all these scenarios into account and make rules so that the outcome is as close to zero as possible.
this type of legislating is a slippery slope that I fear way more than a trans person in a bathroom
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:25 am to junkfunky
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What's the percentage of trannies again?
Best estimates say .01% or lower.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:25 am to mkibod1
People are missing the real issue with all of this bathroom BS.
The real issue is the legality of "identity".
While they shouldn't, Gender and Race play an extremely large roll in the American legal system, civil court system, and other aspects of our lives. We are talking about Affirmative Action, quotas, hate crimes, college admission, hiring practices, Discrimination laws, etc etc.
"Identification" as reality destroys all of that, completely. If how someone feels about themselves trumps scientific reality, then all of those things, among MANY other things is thrown into chaos.
The real issue is the legality of "identity".
While they shouldn't, Gender and Race play an extremely large roll in the American legal system, civil court system, and other aspects of our lives. We are talking about Affirmative Action, quotas, hate crimes, college admission, hiring practices, Discrimination laws, etc etc.
"Identification" as reality destroys all of that, completely. If how someone feels about themselves trumps scientific reality, then all of those things, among MANY other things is thrown into chaos.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:26 am to Breesus
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How about the percentage of coed high school students that wish they could get into the opposite sexs lockeroom during showertime if only there was a legal way to do it without recourse
how many boys are going to go "all in" and get there parents to sign off on this for the chance to see half naked girls?
I just do not see this playing out as bad as you all fear
sorry
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:26 am to Breesus
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How about the percentage of coed high school students that wish they could get into the opposite sexs lockeroom during showertime if only there was a legal way to do it without recourse
And suffer the social stigma of being called a tranny all throughout high school?
I think you highly overestimate the desire to see a boob when free porn is everywhere.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:27 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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And suffer the social stigma of being called a tranny all throughout high school?
I think you highly overestimate the desire to see a boob when free porn is everywhere.
so much this
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:28 am to Fun Bunch
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While they shouldn't, Gender and Race play an extremely large roll in the American legal system, civil court system, and other aspects of our lives. We are talking about Affirmative Action, quotas, hate crimes, college admission, hiring practices, Discrimination laws, etc etc.
"Identification" as reality destroys all of that, completely. If how someone feels about themselves trumps scientific reality, then all of those things, among MANY other things is thrown into chaos.
I can definitely see that. Identity politics also makes us easier to divide and control. Rather than uniting, it gives us an endless supply of enemies.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:35 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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And suffer the social stigma of being called a tranny all throughout high school?
You're dense.
0 tolerance bullying laws. Anyone who makes fun of him is immediately expelled.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:37 am to Salmon
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how many boys are going to go "all in" and get there parents to sign off on this for the chance to see half naked girls?
I just do not see this playing out as bad as you all fear
sorry
You'll change your mind when your 13 year old daughter comes home freaked out over the boy who was in the locker room staring at her while she showered and changed clothes earlier that day.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:38 am to Breesus
so exactly how long would this charade last?
so this hypothetical, completely straight kid decides he wants to see girls naked, so he gets his parents to sing off on him being trans
now he gets to go the girls locker room, but he can't act on anything or stare because if he does the girls will complain
and now, of course, the majority of the boys are going to think he is weird too
so now he is in this weird place where he is no longer one of the guys and he can't get with the chicks because he is a chick, or at least he isn't going to get with the chicks that he probably wants to get with
this whole scenario doesn't make any sense
so this hypothetical, completely straight kid decides he wants to see girls naked, so he gets his parents to sing off on him being trans
now he gets to go the girls locker room, but he can't act on anything or stare because if he does the girls will complain
and now, of course, the majority of the boys are going to think he is weird too
so now he is in this weird place where he is no longer one of the guys and he can't get with the chicks because he is a chick, or at least he isn't going to get with the chicks that he probably wants to get with
this whole scenario doesn't make any sense
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:39 am to Salmon
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this whole scenario doesn't make any sense
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:39 am to Salmon
Well in theory, he can change his identity from day to day, or minute to minute. Identity is completely and utterly arbitrary.
Which to me is the biggest danger with recognizing its "legality" or lack of a better word.
Which to me is the biggest danger with recognizing its "legality" or lack of a better word.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:40 am to Darth_Vader
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You'll change your mind when your 13 year old daughter comes home freaked out over the boy who was in the locker room staring at her while she showered and changed clothes earlier that day.
I would get upset at anyone, boy or girl, just sitting there staring at my daughter while she changes and making her uncomfortable
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
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Well in theory, he can change his identity from day to day, or minute to minute. Identity is completely and utterly arbitrary.
do you really not think the school would stop this?
come on
Posted on 5/13/16 at 10:43 am to Salmon
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do you really not think the school would stop this? come on
I don't know if they can to be honest. That is my biggest issue with all of this - how on earth can it be enforced?
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