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re: Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark...
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:23 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:23 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Yea, fwiw, I'm not trying to argue, I find it interesting too.
It is all very interesting... I love the creation account! I suppose we will all get our answers at the end- in the meantime it is ripe for discussion and a great one, at that!
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:33 am to SallysHuman
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I suppose we will all get our answers at the end-
Exactly
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in the meantime it is ripe for discussion and a great one, at that!
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:34 am to SallysHuman
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What do you believe is out there? Why do you believe something is out there? Honest question, I am not trying to be an arse or turn this into a gotcha- it is a very sincere question.
You can call it what you want but there is some type of creater. You don’t get the complex coding system of DNA for each individual without that. Information doesn’t spontaneously arrive from matter and natural process. DNA works with a very narrow set of parameters. If any one thing is off it doesn’t function. “Nature never over endows” was another contradictory theory put forth by another scientist at the same time Darwin’s theory was and nobody talks about that. Basically he said an organism will only develop the characteristics it needs when nature puts that demand on them to survive. So how did humans come about with this genome that was so vastly ahead of anything we needed to survive at the time 200,000 years ago.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:07 am to SallysHuman
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I can't speak to timing, but isn't there some consensus on a widespread flood?
No.
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Why are you concerned with what others believe anyway?
Something interesting to me is I rarely see believers getting angry or confrontational about what 'others' believe or disbelieve... but for some ungodly reason, unbelievers get quite het up over what Christians believe.
I can't speak for anyone but myself BUT the reason I am concerned with what other believe is because they base decisions that impact everyone based on their beliefs. They go about trying to convince others that their beliefs are the only beliefs that anyone should hold. If a person wants to go to church and spend time with like minded individuals and leave others alone that is fine....doing so AND hi-jacking an airplane and flying it into the side of a building is not fine. That is an extreme example but using public funds to promote a religion in the United States is an example of a similar mindset...putting the 10 commandments in a public school with out context in the form of other religious tenets and doing so with public funds is not fine. If a person wants to worship a Pepsi can I am fine with them doing so, it is none of my business. If they try to force me to worship a Pepsi can I have issues.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:14 am to AwgustaDawg
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I can't speak for anyone but myself BUT the reason I am concerned with what other believe is because they base decisions that impact everyone based on their beliefs.
This is the whole of human history... if we don't base our choices and actions on what we believe to be true (whatever that is), then what else would we base it on?
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They go about trying to convince others that their beliefs are the only beliefs that anyone should hold
I see that more with atheists than Christians. There are so many gotcha questions and whatnot in this very thread working hard to disprove or discredit the Bible. I can't recall ANY Bible believer posters doing the same in return.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:18 am to SallysHuman
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Hebrews 11:1
All anyone has is faith, really..
All that is required is faith, no? In my opinion faith is far more noble as a human concept than knowledge. If a person claims to have proof they are admitting their faith is wanting and they have sought more than their faith.
I admire faith in God...in my mind it is an acceptance that you don't possess knowledge, which none of us has, yet an expression of desire that there is more to life than our existence. That is a beautiful thought, again in my opinion, that there is something larger than the individual, that the individual is incapable of complete knowledge and is willing to accept that and lead a life close to what is generally considered right and wrong. It does not get more human than that. The religious people I have known in my life who I cared about never thought about proof...their faith was ALL they needed to sustain them spiritually. They'd have laughed at the thought of proving there is a God....the had faith in God's existence and that is ALL they needed. They were flawed like all humans....greedy, they'd lie, cheat, whatever most humans do....but they were also generous, happy, hard working....what we like to think of as good qualities in people. They did not need proof, they believed and that is stronger and more human than proof. In my opinion. I don't have it...in fact I believe there is no God....I have no proof either but I would like to think there is more to life than living on earth for 80 years or so. I certainly like the idea that those I loved who havd died are somewhere right now enjoying whatever they are now....
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:27 am to AwgustaDawg
Accepting that there is a God is usually accompanied with humility.
Trusting in that God usually takes humility to the next level.
This is the ultimate realization of reality itself.
We are but frail humans.
This is why I cringe when I read or hear about transhumanism.
Arthur C. McGill:
McGill argued that God reaches humans in their “lostness” through Christ, who enters the realm of evil to redeem it, rather than requiring humans to progress toward God. He saw love, as exemplified by Jesus, as freely giving oneself without fear of neediness.
It takes humility to accept that. I think that we all get diminished to that level at some point, but some of us never give in and fully trust in the God that is both wholly other and also sitting right next to you (in the person of Christ).
Trusting in that God usually takes humility to the next level.
This is the ultimate realization of reality itself.
We are but frail humans.
This is why I cringe when I read or hear about transhumanism.
Arthur C. McGill:
McGill argued that God reaches humans in their “lostness” through Christ, who enters the realm of evil to redeem it, rather than requiring humans to progress toward God. He saw love, as exemplified by Jesus, as freely giving oneself without fear of neediness.
It takes humility to accept that. I think that we all get diminished to that level at some point, but some of us never give in and fully trust in the God that is both wholly other and also sitting right next to you (in the person of Christ).
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:32 am to bayoubengals88
I guess the good news for us Christians is how we personally interpret Genesis 1 doesn't have an effect on our eternal salvation....
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:42 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Spot on.
I guess the good news for us Christians is how we personally interpret Genesis 1 doesn't have an effect on our eternal salvation....
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:44 am to Lonnie Utah
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I guess the good news for us Christians is how we personally interpret Genesis 1 doesn't have an effect on our eternal salvation....
Amen!
Although, I personally love discussions like these- makes me dig harder into my faith and Scripture when I have opportunity to debate and discuss with others.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:46 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:If I really follow this line of thought to its logical end though, I get this. Does anything we do or don't do have any effect on our eternal salvation? And how could I say anything different than "no"? Christ has accomplished it for me (and you).
I guess the good news for us Christians is how we personally interpret Genesis 1 doesn't have an effect on our eternal salvation....
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:59 am to Howyouluhdat
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in the meantime it is ripe for discussion and a great one, at that!
I think it’s a terrible discussion.
A person with a scientific approach to the world cannot counter miracles. There is no effective argument that can be made against a position that allows for a supernatural force or entity to intervene at any time and make the impossible possible.
In no other realm but entrenched religious dogma would a serious discussion ever take place regarding a 500-year-old man even having existed, much less being spry enough to participate in all the other grandiose details associated with the Ark story.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 12:16 pm to Globetrotter747
Science has no answer for the biggest questions in life, so here we are.
If you buy into scientific materialism than you can't trust your own reason, for there’s no guarantee that your random, deterministic brain chemistry aligns with or enables you to know, what is and what is not true. You'll always be chasing your tail given the lack of a center.
At least those entrenched in dogma have a leg to stand on.
If you buy into scientific materialism than you can't trust your own reason, for there’s no guarantee that your random, deterministic brain chemistry aligns with or enables you to know, what is and what is not true. You'll always be chasing your tail given the lack of a center.
At least those entrenched in dogma have a leg to stand on.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/16/25 at 12:44 pm to Globetrotter747
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serious discussion ever take place regarding a 500-year-old man even having existed,
Because it’s not to be taken literal
Highly doubtful that those ages were in solar years
Posted on 7/16/25 at 12:56 pm to bayoubengals88
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Accepting that there is a God is usually accompanied with humility.
Trusting in that God usually takes humility to the next level.
This is the ultimate realization of reality itself.
We are but frail humans.
This is why I cringe when I read or hear about transhumanism.
Arthur C. McGill:
McGill argued that God reaches humans in their “lostness” through Christ, who enters the realm of evil to redeem it, rather than requiring humans to progress toward God. He saw love, as exemplified by Jesus, as freely giving oneself without fear of neediness.
It takes humility to accept that. I think that we all get diminished to that level at some point, but some of us never give in and fully trust in the God this is wholly other but also practically sitting right next to you (in the person of Christ).
This is a truly beautiful sentiment and its these types of sentiment that has caused Christianity to catch on....
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:00 pm to bayoubengals88
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If I really follow this line of thought to its logical end though, I get this. Does anything we do or don't do have any effect on our eternal salvation? And how could I say anything different than "no"? Christ has accomplished it for me (and you).
That's pretty much it. We are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God. That doesn't mean we still won't be judged...
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:01 pm to Globetrotter747
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A person with a scientific approach to the world cannot counter miracles. There is no effective argument that can be made against a position that allows for a supernatural force or entity to intervene at any time and make the impossible possible.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:13 pm to SallysHuman
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This is the whole of human history... if we don't base our choices and actions on what we believe to be true (whatever that is), then what else would we base it on?
Most of the time we curb our beliefs to some degree in order to accommodate a broader audience. An avowed white supremacist may think that races should not mix genetically or even socially. Most of them would probably "vote" that way. Most people would find that reprehensible because we can only control what we do and should not expect to control what other people do. Homosexuality is a good example...even today the right to enter into a legal partnership between 2 women based on love and respect would be against the law without the fact that while many people may disagree with the idea they are willing to admit that they might be wrong on the subject and it is truly none of their business what 2 women agree to do as long as it does not harm anyone. It is one thing to think or believe that a public school should have the 10 Commandments in every classroom without any opposing viewpoint, its another thing to legislate that into law.
I do not think people ought to expose children to a bible (there are about as many versions as there are Harlequin Romances). If someone does expose their child to a bible that is none of my business. If that child then tries to expose MY child to that bible I do have an issue with that because that is my job as a parent. I would NEVER try to prevent someone from exposing their child to a bible but folks think nothing at all about approaching me and my children in public and exposing them to their interpretation of a bible.
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I see that more with atheists than Christians. There are so many gotcha questions and whatnot in this very thread working hard to disprove or discredit the Bible. I can't recall ANY Bible believer posters doing the same in return.
I would agree with this....but what you will find are believers on these forums condescendingly telling the gotcha questioner that they will pray for them. I personally like the idea of someone praying for me, at the very least they are thinking of me in terms of a fellow human being....I do not need them telling me they are doing it and the only reason they could possibly have for doing so is to let me know that they think I need it, they have judged me, something I am pretty certain that ain't supposed to do...if they want to pray for me they can do so without my knowledge...but some feel the need to inform me because they need me to know it. This is a passive aggressive insult to tell me you are praying for me, if you are truly concerned do it without my knowledge.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:21 pm to AwgustaDawg
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but folks think nothing at all about approaching me and my children in public and exposing them to their interpretation of a bible.
I lived in the CSRA from 97-2000, visit there constantly the past 25yrs, and never have I ever had this happen...
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I personally like the idea of someone praying for me, at the very least they are thinking of me in terms of a fellow human being....I do not need them telling me they are doing it and the only reason they could possibly have for doing so is to let me know that they think I need it, they have judged me, something I am pretty certain that ain't supposed to do...if they want to pray for me they can do so without my knowledge...but some feel the need to inform me because they need me to know it. This is a passive aggressive insult to tell me you are praying for me, if you are truly concerned do it without my knowledge.
I can't argue with this... I pray for a lot of people, but only the ones that covet prayers know I do so.. I also find the act of announcing prayer for an unbeliever unsolicited is usually some passive aggressive bullshite.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 1:21 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I do not think people ought to expose children to a bible
I find Jesus to be the best source for what is right and what is wrong. Western Society does too. See human rights.
So, why not?!
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